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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
I guess their Mommies never told them for the 100 thousandth time . . . that
Their actions and massive preponderance of words speak far, far, FAR LOUDER than a few micro-grams of caveats here and there.
I guess it's kind of like the RELIGIOUS rulers 2000 years ago saying to Jesus--
"Yeah, so what if we are. Sure, we're white washed tombs, pits of vipers and sons of satan. However, in our by-laws, it says right here that we're not--so we're home safe! SEE!!!!"
Though actually, they weren't any more honest about it than the rabid cliques hereon.
Besides, the response will still likely be . . .
DEPART FROM ME, YOU WORKERS & FERTILIZER SPREADERS OF INIQUITY.
Therefore, the “sole and final interpretor” is God, the Holy Spirit, refining our understanding and renewing our minds to the truth of Christ risen.
Indeed.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:27
[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. - Romans 8:1
But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. - John 14:26
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Cor 2:13-14
God’s Name is I AM.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
THX.
Fascinating.
Horrid, but fascinating.
I suppose they'll then fabricate out of thin air another dogma that tells us that because God The Father, Son & Spirit are so grand, we MUST see them ONLY as a REFLECTION IN MARY--and never directly.
lol, then we gots some major theology to overhaul
1. Mary's triune role as co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocatrix is a reflection of the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.
(((shudder)))
Next they’ll likely try and convince us that
St Paul
was merely the pen name of the
bureaucratic, power mongering elite’s magicsterical of the Vatican edifice.
It IS SHOCKING, to me, that anyone in their right mind, calling themselves “Christian”
would
DARE to think such things, much less brazenly publically post them anywhere in any form!
Where is the reverential awe—even the abject fear of ALMIGHTY GOD???
I guess the caricatured farce of a pseudo Mary personage has soooooo softened the image of ALMIGHTY GOD that they simply don’t fear displeasing HIM any more.
Shocking.
Where is the fear of the Almighty God indeed?
First they say Paul's "insane."
Then they tell us God lied when Paul wrote Ephesians because "Paul didn't write Ephesians."
This is where errant theology ends up -- denying God's word and defaming His saints.
I wonder . . .
have their uhhhh . . .
word mangling, reality mangling fantasies
over the centuries
distorted their thought processes, their discernment, their perceptions
sooooooooooooooo much that
they just can’t gropingly find the doorway (to the least bit of enlightenment) in the darkness they so obviously wander around in?
This is where errant theology ends up — denying God’s word and defaming His saints.
- - -
INDEED.
It is OK for a FRoman Catholics to bash Paul, but don't YOU dare question the way in which the Roman Catholic church deals with homosexual child molesting priests.
Judith Anne, like many other FRoman Catholics, will nail their opus to the door of FR only to return a short time later.
—double standard writing
—double standard thinking
—double standard daffynitions
—double standard theology
—double standard pseudo-reality
—double standard hogwash from hell
Scripture warned of this era . . . when good would be called evil and evil would be called good.
I tell ya,
Mary to the Catholic mind is the total bible, subject and object, no matter the book, chapter or verse, in context, out of context, all Mary all the time
Paul explicitly calls only the Father God (cf 1 Cor 8:6, 11:3, etc.). The Christ and the Spirit are of God but they are never called God by Paul. Only the Father is. He also makes it very clear that Christ is not equal to the Father—"the head of Christ is God" says Paul.
According to Paul, Christ is our Lord but not equal to God; he is God's perefect creation, the first creature made in the image of God (Col 1:15), and for Paul the Spirit is the power of God (just as in Judaism), but never referred to as our Lord.
This is clearly in contradistinction with the Nicean-Costantinopolean credal Trinity of the Church which states that the Spirit is the Lord and that he is the giver of life.
Paul (Rom 8:2) also says the Spirit gives life but only through Christ, obviously indicaitng that the Spirit alone cannot give life, but only acting on behalf of someone else.
Paul also unfailingly states that God raised Christ, not that Christ, being God, raised hismelf, which is a significant distinction of the suboridnaitonalist theology.
The only NT source which suggests that Christ didn't need asisstance is in John 2:19-21, which was incorprated into the Creed in contradisticntion to Paul: the Creed states "he rose on the third day" rather than "was raised..."
The entire New Testament teaches suboridinatonist Trinity. This is what the Church Fathers unfailingly taught until the 4th century.
You will also notice that the Holy Ghost is sent and given, and that he does things through God or through Christ. There is also a disticntion made between the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.
That sure appears to be the case with quite a chunk of them.
Sigh.
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