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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
This is in direct opposition to the Roman Catholic confessional where a priest, peculiarly, is forbidden to tell anyone about a possible murder plot he hears in the toll...er...confessional booth.
The more Roman Catholics apologists highlight the differences between the RCC and the OPC, the more the OPC is shown to be Biblical while the RCC is revealed to be not-so-much.
INDEED THEY WERE.
I have consistently said that all churches are fallible, as the Westminster Confession of Faith reminds us in Chapter 25, Of the Chruch...
"V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12]"
AMEN!
INDEED.
THX.
Um, so it’s OK for you to make the analogy to start with but not OK for someone to call you on it?
Why do you excuse yourself but not others?
Hmmmmmm
I don’t recall signing on to
FORCING per se.
One leads another into forgiveness.
A parent sets a standard and helps make it happen.
Forgiveness is not forgiveness unless it’s owned, chosen.
Absolutely.
There are so many situations which I am grateful for never having to have been in because it would stretch my ability to forgive pretty far.
God would have to give me the strength and ability to do that because I don’t know that I could find it within myself to do it on my own.
And I do know that it would be to my benefit. It just would not be easy.
An understandable result of a works-based salvation.
Angel-Gal has outlined the
BIBLICAL PATH quite well above.
I agree totally.
It gets a bit problematic with the legal stuff but certainly the Christian part can be carried out regardless of the legal stuff.
The problem has NOT been that the Christian Biblical route was impossible. The problem is that folks are
NOT WILLING
to carry it out sufficiently to make it happen.
INDEED.
At least you are being honest. Alamo Girl, Eckleburg and Quix would all insist that a child do what an adult would find impossible or near impossible.
I'm not pinging them on purpose. Right at the moment, I feel nauseous.
Part of the act of forgiving is being aware that the sinner is truly repentant and that “Go and sin no more” is his intent.
I seriously, sincerely hope that the lurkers are reading everything posted here by the anti-Catholic bigots.
You betcha.
I do not recall reading any qualifier from Christ Jesus on who we are to forgive. What if someone abuses and child and is not sorry, but says he is? What if that someone is a Catholic priest, and he is truly repentant?
How do you OPC's see a person's heart? Only God can do that. This is a double outrage, if there is a true victim, to have the parents demand that the child forgive. Sick. First, abused, then, pressured to make the sanctimonious parents look good by forgiving the abuser...
So neither Alamo Girl, Eckleburg nor Quix are honest? Nor deserve a ping when being spoken of?
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh . . .
yet that kind of “IMPOSSIBLE”
IS PRECISELY WHY CHRIST DIED . . .
Of course CHRIST-LIKE FORGIVENESS IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE FLESH.
CHRIST IN US; US IN CHRIST; HIS BLOOD; HIS SPIRIT ARE NECESSARY, FIRST.
. . . OR AT LEAST CONCURRENTLY.
That is the essence of Christianity.
The flesh can do nothing but deadliness.
APART FROM HIM, THE FLESH CAN DO NOTHING REDEMPTIVE.
LORD, I BELIEVE, HELP THOU, MY UNBELIEF!
BITTERNESS, HATRED AND RESENTMENT ARE DEADLY TO THE ONE HOLDING THEM
—not, usually, to the perpetrator.
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