Nifonging the Catholic Church

me ^ | April 18, 2010 | vanity

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Your excerpt from the OPC does not say they wouldn't go to the police. The excerpt offers excellent advice. It says that any "elder confidentiality" does not preclude going outside that relationship if whatever has been confided is something like a plot to murder someone.

This is in direct opposition to the Roman Catholic confessional where a priest, peculiarly, is forbidden to tell anyone about a possible murder plot he hears in the toll...er...confessional booth.

The more Roman Catholics apologists highlight the differences between the RCC and the OPC, the more the OPC is shown to be Biblical while the RCC is revealed to be not-so-much.

[Quix]

[Quix]

INDEED THEY WERE.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Please show me where I ever said there is no error in the Presbyterian church.

I have consistently said that all churches are fallible, as the Westminster Confession of Faith reminds us in Chapter 25, Of the Chruch...

"V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12]"

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

AMEN!

[Quix]

INDEED.

THX.

[metmom]

Um, so it’s OK for you to make the analogy to start with but not OK for someone to call you on it?

Why do you excuse yourself but not others?

[Quix]

Hmmmmmm

I don’t recall signing on to

FORCING per se.

One leads another into forgiveness.

A parent sets a standard and helps make it happen.

Forgiveness is not forgiveness unless it’s owned, chosen.

[Quix]

Absolutely.

[metmom]

There are so many situations which I am grateful for never having to have been in because it would stretch my ability to forgive pretty far.

God would have to give me the strength and ability to do that because I don’t know that I could find it within myself to do it on my own.

And I do know that it would be to my benefit. It just would not be easy.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Maybe because the papacy assumes it's infallible and by extension, its adherents think they are, too.

An understandable result of a works-based salvation.

[Quix]

Angel-Gal has outlined the

BIBLICAL PATH quite well above.

I agree totally.

It gets a bit problematic with the legal stuff but certainly the Christian part can be carried out regardless of the legal stuff.

The problem has NOT been that the Christian Biblical route was impossible. The problem is that folks are

NOT WILLING

to carry it out sufficiently to make it happen.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Judith Anne]

God would have to give me the strength and ability to do that because I don’t know that I could find it within myself to do it on my own.

At least you are being honest. Alamo Girl, Eckleburg and Quix would all insist that a child do what an adult would find impossible or near impossible.

I'm not pinging them on purpose. Right at the moment, I feel nauseous.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Part of the act of forgiving is being aware that the sinner is truly repentant and that “Go and sin no more” is his intent.

[Judith Anne]

It gets a bit problematic with the legal stuff but certainly the Christian part can be carried out regardless of the legal stuff.

I seriously, sincerely hope that the lurkers are reading everything posted here by the anti-Catholic bigots.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You betcha.

[Judith Anne]

Part of the act of forgiving is being aware that the sinner is truly repentant and that “Go and sin no more” is his intent.

I do not recall reading any qualifier from Christ Jesus on who we are to forgive. What if someone abuses and child and is not sorry, but says he is? What if that someone is a Catholic priest, and he is truly repentant?

How do you OPC's see a person's heart? Only God can do that. This is a double outrage, if there is a true victim, to have the parents demand that the child forgive. Sick. First, abused, then, pressured to make the sanctimonious parents look good by forgiving the abuser...

[Alex Murphy]

At least you are being honest. Alamo Girl, Eckleburg and Quix would all insist that a child do what an adult would find impossible or near impossible.

So neither Alamo Girl, Eckleburg nor Quix are honest? Nor deserve a ping when being spoken of?

[Quix]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

yet that kind of “IMPOSSIBLE”

IS PRECISELY WHY CHRIST DIED . . .

Of course CHRIST-LIKE FORGIVENESS IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE FLESH.

CHRIST IN US; US IN CHRIST; HIS BLOOD; HIS SPIRIT ARE NECESSARY, FIRST.

. . . OR AT LEAST CONCURRENTLY.

That is the essence of Christianity.

The flesh can do nothing but deadliness.

APART FROM HIM, THE FLESH CAN DO NOTHING REDEMPTIVE.

LORD, I BELIEVE, HELP THOU, MY UNBELIEF!

BITTERNESS, HATRED AND RESENTMENT ARE DEADLY TO THE ONE HOLDING THEM

—not, usually, to the perpetrator.