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Posted on 04/18/2010 9:49:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
I seriously wonder about some FReepers, sometimes. Any other person accused of a crime would be defended by every FReeper as being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I've seen whole threads written by men who have been accused of child abuse by ex-wives out to deny them their visitation rights or to wrest more money out of them. These men are rightly indignant, and furious about the unjust accusations that cannot be proven but are never withdrawn.
Yet where are those FReepers when a PRIEST is accused? Where is the presumption of innocence? Suddenly, every accusation becomes a verdict, and not only the accused but his entire organization and all its adherents are held responsible.
I can only wonder what some of these so-called conservatives (who so faithfully defend the Constitution) would do, if THEY were the ones accused! It is a nightmare for any man -- all of you know how even the accusation stains the man forever, even if it is proven false!
Not only that, many here assert that the problems of 30, 40 and even 50 years ago must be tried in the media TODAY!
Remember the Duke rape case? There are more similarities than differences here. The priests are accused, nifonged, and instead of being defended, they are vilified!
What other man of you could stand under the weight of such an accusation trumpeted by the press, and come out whole? None! And such accusations made, LONG after the statute of limitations has passed, sometimes even after the accused is dead and buried for YEARS -- are YOU one of those who automatically, reflexively, spitefully, and gleefully act as judge, jury, and executioner?
Women! What if it were YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR FATHER, YOUR UNCLE, YOUR SON who was accused? Wouldn't you want the best defense possible? Wouldn't YOU believe in their innocence? Wouldn't YOU help protect your loved ones as much as possible? And yet, YOU JUDGE THE CHURCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU WOULD DO?
Shame! Vast shame! On all who have sinned against the innocent!
Someone here recently said that the current Pope
1. Has gone after the homosexuals in the ranks and in the leadership.
2. For that he has been attacked by the left and the media for “pedophilia”.
I.E. in trying to address the problem he’s being accused of encouraging or allowing that what he’s trying to stop. I can totally believe the left and the media would do just this.
I have to say, that other than knowing that the left and media are a bunch of slimeballs, I have NO particular knowledge or expertise. So I could have it all wrong. But maybe not.
Oh, really? How "riled up" are "most of you" about protestant or presbyterian child sexual abuse? You KNOW it takes place as often in other churches. Why do I never see you start one of those threads, and face the problems in your own church?
But I think you are assuming an agenda too intensely.
Yes, how DARE I get upset about insults to my Church? Where do I come off defending my beliefs, my Church's priests, my fellow Catholics?
Lying about Catholics again? Where did I say it was CHILDREN who enticed the perverted clerics into sin? I didn't. I said it was TEENS in the perverted subculture of homosexuality. If you need help reading, ask a friend, or a member of your family.
Under what name? Why do you have another account?
Be angry if you like. I am just trying to tell you how I see it. I am not angry at you.
I got another account because different family were all posting and I wanted my own voice. Nothing nefarious.
Then you shouldn't mind giving us the name on the other account.
Thanks for this.
Well, I do mind, because not all opinions given were necessarily my own. That’s why I made my own.
I really wonder why anyone who was not my friend would keep a list of all the threads I’ve started since April 5, 2008. And what does THIS comment mean: “Honestly, who’s claiming to be too good for what?”?
Because I’M not claiming to be too good for anything. I said, “This is Free Republic and we are too good for that.”
I started the Presbyterian Church threads because non-Catholics start Catholic bashing threads all the time. There have been far more Catholic bashing threads in the last 8 weeks than I have EVER started since I began here 10 years ago. And I’m tired of the Catholic bashing threads. Especially during our HOLIEST SEASON.
Since it seems that presbyterians get all wee-wee’d up about threads critical of their church, they MIGHT realize how it feels. Evidently, that connection is over their heads.
So, has this other account been banned?
Who is the current leader of the Lutheran Church? Shall we have a microscopic look at his background? At Lutheran pastors? At Lutheran pastor child molesters? At Lutheran pastor homosexuals? At the Lutheran COVER-UP of this reprehensible abuse? Because YOU KNOW it took place, and yet WHERE IS THE SELF EXAMINATION? Where are the FR articles, so we can see if it's being done right?
You’re welcome. I have a headache. ;-D
Why don't you head up that effort, Judith Anne?
If there's an international coverup with Lutheran clergy being transferred around but not prosecuted on charges of sexual abuse, I will be right there with you denouncing the corruption, rebuking the leadership and demanding that these people be cast out of any position of authority if not the church itself.
Please ping me to the thread when you do so. You have my full support. This sort of behavior has no place in any church calling itself Christian.
Were those opinions presented as yours? If not, they would have an identifier within the post. I didn't think we were supposed to have a group posting under one name, at least without identifying the other posters as distinct.
No, I’ve never been banned.
I’ve never even been threatened to be banned.
I think you are pretty angry, and at the wrong person. You can look up Lutheran stuff (I am not a Lutheran) or other stuff if you want to.
I remember Ted Haggard being raked over the coals, although not convicted of anything. So he is another example, non-Catholic. I personally find Haggard reprehensible, and am not afraid to say so. I did however appreciate that his church board or whatever their position is removed him from office.
I have mentioned lots of other individuals, who have been very much assumed guilty of bad crimes, and are not Catholic. You seem to want to ignore all those. I don’t know why. You seem to think Roman Catholics are singled out for abuse on FR. I am sure they are indeed singled out sometimes by some, but others are singled out at other times by others. My goodness, check out some of the Mormon/anti-Mormon threads. And no, I’m not a Mormon.
I have no doubt that some people accused of child abuse are innocent, and I believe we all deserve a fair trial by a jury of our peers. But, if the accusation is covered up, so the DA doesn’t get to decide whether there is enough evidence to prosecute, there is a problem. I think the cover-up is the main problem in most of the RC church abuse cases.
I also think through adoptions, pro-life work, schools, orphanages, medical clinics, homeless shelters, etc., the RCs have done a lot more good than harm to kids. I commend them for their charity.
It’s not a sinister group. It is my family, which contains some kids. Nothing they posted was bad. You are jumping to conclusions.
Here you go, and DON’t tell me child porn is a victimless crime:
And here, whatever became of this guy? It’s the Lutheran policy not to comment on cases like this. Why not? What are they hiding?
Want more? There are plenty. I just picked two.
I’m jumping to conclusions? You had your kids posting under your name on FR?
I’ve never even been threatened to be banned.
Then why are you unwilling to say the name?
I think you are pretty angry, and at the wrong person. You can look up Lutheran stuff (I am not a Lutheran) or other stuff if you want to.
What gives you the idea that I am angry at you? And what possibly gives you the idea that I don't like Lutherans?
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