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SSPX Bishop Williamson Convicted for Denying Holocaust
PatrickMadrid ^ | April 17, 2010 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 04/17/2010 3:25:41 PM PDT by NYer

The news is just coming in about a ridiculous though widely anticipated judgment from the German court against an outspoken leader in the SSPX movement. I know that denying the Holocaust is illegal in that country, but it shouldn't be.


Of course I believe the Holocaust happened, but for the state to outlaw personal opinions, however odd we might think they are, is simply stupid. True, Bishop Williamson has caused plenty of headaches for his fellow members of the SSPX, not to mention for the Holy Father, but even though he may have been highly impolitic in some of his statements, he has a right to his opinion on a matter like this.

Personally, I would disagree with Bishop Williamson's opinions on a number of issues (the Holocaust being one of them), but that doesn't prevent me from recognizing that what's happening to him here is wrong, plain and simple. He is being victimized by an unjust law.

A German court convicted ultraconservative British Bishop Richard Williamson on Friday of denying the Holocaust in a television interview.

A court in the Bavarian city of Regensburg found Williamson guilty of incitement for saying in a 2008 interview with Swedish television that he did not believe Jews were killed in gas chambers during World War II.

The court ordered Williamson to pay a fine of euro10,000 ($13,544).

The Roman Catholic bishop was barred by his order from attending Friday's proceedings or making statements to the media.

His lawyer, Matthias Lossmann, told The Associated Press after the court ruling that Williamson has yet to decide whether he would appeal.

Denying the Holocaust is a criminal offense in Germany.

The court ordered a fine of euro12,000 for Williamson last year, without a trial. But the bishop appealed, forcing his case to be tried publicly.

Lossmann said that Williamson had explicitly asked the Swedish television crew conducting the interview not to broadcast it in Germany.

In issuing her ruling, Judge Karin Frahm said the bishop could not have expected that the clip would show up on YouTube and be seen directly in Germany, and that led her to reduce the fine, court spokesman Bernhard Schneider told the AP.

The journalists who conducted the interview ignored a court order to attend the trial, Lossmann said, leaving the judge to rely on written statements as testimony.

"That does not do a case like this justice," Lossmann said. . . (continue reading)



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To: NYer
Denying the holocaust is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of denying historic facts. To trivialize the holocaust down to a matter of opinion is nothing but asinine.

So what's Israel's position on this Bishop Williamson? That should count for something, no?

21 posted on 04/17/2010 6:49:11 PM PDT by Moltke (DOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the Big House - HOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the White House.)
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To: James C. Bennett
but the irony is rich.

Boy, is that the truth.

22 posted on 04/17/2010 6:53:15 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Seriously? A family member who was behind the wire in Germany during WWII, greatly enjoyed Hogan’s Heroes. I always assumed it was because it made the Germans look so foolish.


23 posted on 04/17/2010 6:58:10 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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To: annalex
Williamson never expressed any approval of the persecution of the Jews

He refuses to acknowledge that the Holocaust ever happened. Therefore, the persecution of the Jewish people- men, women, children, infants gassed in box cars is an approval of sorts...by a member of the Catholic Church who also supports Ahmadinejad's theory the Holocaust never happened.

I may not agree with President Obama on just about everything, but I do support his quest for the assassination of the American born Imam, al-Awlak, who's radical teachings helped bring about the terrorist attack at Ft Hood, the underwear bomber - Abdulmutallab, etc.

Their teachings whether Muslim or Catholic, whatever religion one chooses becomes a platform for the rhetoric that inspires to action terror acts against innocents.

SSPX Bishop Williamson skillfully hides his antisemitism under the CAPPA MAGNA knowing intellectually how to support a terrorist act-without openly supporting a terrorist act of the past-under the cover of what we American's call "free speech"..get my drift?

It is an approval, of sorts just skillfully manipulated as in "wink, wink".

24 posted on 04/17/2010 7:59:37 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: NYer
So, a Brit is interviewed by Swedes, with a provisio it not be shown in Germany; but a party or parties unknown post it on YouTube where Germans can (GASP!) see it, so he is GUILTY of a German crime, and fined 10,000 Euros by a German court?!?

Now, THAT is what I call “globalization”!

Sieg Heil, mein Judgette!

25 posted on 04/17/2010 9:11:13 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

I object onna ‘count of you bringin reason and facts into this debate!!! UNFAIR!!!

Freegards, Benny rules


26 posted on 04/17/2010 9:53:45 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: annalex

In case you were unaware, there is a reason for Germany’s law against denying the holocaust.


27 posted on 04/18/2010 5:17:27 AM PDT by Carley (I'll keep clinging to the constitution, my guns and my religion, thank you.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
He refuses to acknowledge that the Holocaust ever happened

No, that is inaccurate. He questions the magnitude of it, and the use of specifically gas chambers. He does not deny that Jews suffered terribly and unjustly under the Nazi regime. He questions the scope of the Holocaust because he was convinced so by a book of a revisionist historian. He later promised to re-read the book and re-assess his opinion, but I don't know what happened afterwards. The point is, it is just an opinion about the historical evidence that we have. It is not a crime to hold such an opinion.

28 posted on 04/18/2010 4:44:43 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Carley

The reason is not valid. And besides, how is that purported internal to Germany reason supposed to apply to an Englishman living in Argentina and giving an interview to a Swedish TV?


29 posted on 04/18/2010 4:47:41 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
.. not a crime in the legal sense, but a crime in the morale sense...and numbers that died in any genocide does not make one any worse than the other. Just my opinion don't mean to change yours. I am tied of those that use a platform of religion to influence those that mean to do us harm..just like any Imam.

Freedoms are often abused..because "they" can be...

Sounds like using the excuse of his early education like Obama and the Trinity church? Accepting of what one source says is what is wrong with this country..some hear what they want to hear and do not have the caring to go any further to explore further truths. Getting to a position in life like the Bishop is now, just is total ignorance. Enough on this.

30 posted on 04/18/2010 8:01:18 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
numbers that died in any genocide does not make one any worse than the other.

Then there is no moral wrong in considering one number more credible than another.

I am tied of those that use a platform of religion to influence those that mean to do us harm.

Williamson shouldn't have used his clerical position to make comments outside of what the Church teaches. Bishops should not be chemists, archeologists or Holocaust scholars, they have a more important job to do. That was what he did wrong. But the focus today is his conviction in Germany. That is absurd in terms of universal justice.

Accepting of what one source says is what is wrong with this country

By criminalizing opinions, the state of Germany has forced everyone -- even, as we learn, non-Germans -- to do just that.

31 posted on 04/19/2010 5:24:21 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
I cannot point out the flaws in another country's law, as in this particular, considering our own laws have protected the ones we are supposed to be protected from.

Thanks

32 posted on 04/19/2010 7:17:57 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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