Posted on 04/12/2010 9:53:33 PM PDT by Salvation
In other words, this HAS been in effect and HAS been used according to the guidelines set forth!
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But watch! An anti-Catholic will be here any minute to falsely claim that people have to take an oath that prevents them from reporting abuse to secular authorities and even falsely claim that there is a statute of limitations attached to that oath.
False, unsupported claims posted by that anti-Catholic in 3.....2....
PING
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Repent Rome, if God grants you the ability.
But this is what you claimed:
“Part of the problem is that according to the Vaticans Crimen Sollicitationis the victim and his family are sworn to secrecy from the time of the abuse until 10 years after the victim reaches the age of 18 upon threat of excommunication.”
Prove it. Post the text that says exactly that from Crime Sollicitationis.
Can you? Will you?
You keep making the same claim over and over again (although now you seem to be slightly altering it; gee, I wonder why?!). Time to post some evidence.
This is completely false. The Vatican has never had a policy that imposes excommunication on Catholics who report cases of sex abuse by priests to the civil authorities. This is just another rabid, slanderous attack on the Church by a bigot.
Well, there is no way that Dr. Eckleburg can provide any documentation or evidence for what he is claiming because there isn’t any. This is one of the most outrageous lies about the Church that I have ever heard but I guess Satan and his fellow anti-Catholics will stoop to anything to try to discredit the Church.
lol. Good grief. Do Roman Catholic apologists ever read any of these links to their own church's documents?
Read CRIMEN SOLLICITATIONIS, paying particular attention to paragraphs 11, 13 and 42a.
And try to ease up on the name-calling.
It certainly is. And the RCC has a lot of repenting to do.
If you want to understand the issues accurately, read the two RC documents and newspaper article I linked to in POST 28.
Read Ratzinger's 2001 letter to all the bishops and the RCC's Crimen Sollicitationis for yourself (paying close attention to paragraphs 11,13 and 42a) so you can more clearly see who is "lying."
HE CAN'T!
I find it funny when the serpent tells Christ’s Church to repent LOL
Do some penance, Doc.
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All men are commanded by God to repent of their sins which means they are to feel remorse for disobeying the Triune God and thus resolve not to continue in their errors. If God enables them to do so, they will repent, by the grace of God.
"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." -- 2 Corinthians 7:10
When you find the word "penance" in Scripture, you let us know.
That is NOT what Ratzinger wrote in his 2001 letter to all the bishops nor does it say that in Crimen Sollicitationis. The victim and his family and witnesses are all sworn to secrecy upon threat of excommunication. Read the documents and educate yourself.
"An oath of secrecy was to be taken by all members of the tribunal; violation incurred a penalty of automatic excommunication. The ecclesiastical penalty for violation of secrecy by the accused priest was automatic suspension a divinis, although he was free to discuss with his defence counsel (Section 13). Unless violation of secrecy occurred after an explicit procedural warning given in the course of their examination (Section 13; and cf. Section 23 concerning the person denouncing solicitation: ' before the person is dismissed, there should be presented to the person, as above, an oath of observing the secret, threatening the person, if there is a need, with an excommunication reserved to the Ordinary or to the Holy See"), no ecclesiastical penalties were to be imposed on the accuser(s) and witnesses. 'These matters are confidential only to the procedures within the Church, but do not preclude in any way for these matters to be brought to civil authorities for proper legal adjudication. The charter for the Protection of Children and Young People of June, 2002, approved by the Vatican, requires that credible allegations of sexual abuse of children be reported to legal authorities.'[7]" [emphasis mine]
In other words, only the members of the tribunal who adjudicated the case of priest accused of sexual misconduct were sworn to secrecy because the proceedings of the canonical trial were supposed to be secret to protect the all of the parties involved. However, witnesses and victims were not bound by any seal of secrecy and had every right to bring these matters to the attention of civil authorities. Moreover, this document was issued in 1962, not 2001 as you claimed. It looks like you got all of your facts wrong.
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