Posted on 04/11/2010 6:09:57 PM PDT by stfassisi
Thanks for the ping. Very interesting and informative post; everything about Christ Jesus is redemptive...
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No, they appealed straight to me and didn't communicate with the dead.
Mary isn't dead either.
There is on Catholic Answers right now a show on the role of Mary in the church. If you have Catholic Radio it might be on, i.e. Ave Maria Radio, St. Joseph Radio or Communications or Immaculate Heart Radio. You could probably listen live as well via the internet. I think the website is www.catholic.com. It’s on for another half an hour I think.
Where does it say this in the Bible?
she has not been resurrected like Christ
Nobody has EVER suggested that she was resurrected.
it is completely improper/sinful to communicate with her.
Can you cite a single verse in the New Testament that supports this? Revelation 5:8 specifically REFUTES it.
Notice the important clause "on earth." The people who pray together must be "on earth." This definitely rules out those who have left this earth.
When Jesus taught the disciples to pray, He never encourages the disciples to ask Abraham or Moses or Noah to pray for them. Asking the deceased to pray for us is unheard of in the Bible, and contradicts the teaching of the Bible."
In Rev 5:8 since WE are the saints whose prayers are mentioned this in no way supports praying to those who have passed on.
2 Corinthians 13:13
All the saints send their greetings.
Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus
Matthew 18:19 is an instruction to the Church, it is not instructions on how to pray and even if it were it doesn't rule anything out.
Asking the deceased to pray for us is unheard of in the Bible, and contradicts the teaching of the Bible.
Are you denying that He gives eternal life?
In Rev 5:8 since WE are the saints whose prayers are mentioned this in no way supports praying to those who have passed on.
So, you believe you possess the authority to declare yourself a saint and at the same time you believe you can deny the ability of the saints in Heaven to pray? That's rather presumptuous isn't it?
I'm not disputing that, but you still haven't addressed any of my questions in post #406.
Can you provide a verse that suggests that sainthood doesn't survive death?
From #406
"Can you cite a single verse in the New Testament that supports this?"
To which I replied" "Matthew 18:19,"
I clearly addressed your question so don't say that I didn't.
Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean I didn't address it. I did.
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When I cited a verse that says the faithful in Christ are saints you responded:
"So, you believe you possess the authority to declare yourself a saint"
but then said "I'm not disputing that," even tho you just disputed it.
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You asked for "a single verse in the New Testament" because you didn't like the OT verse upthread, yet when a NT verse was provided you simply ignore that you ever asked it, falsely accuse me, deny what you had just implied, then ask for another verse.
I would be happy to provide honest answers to honest questions but enough with the games already.
I clearly addressed your question so don't say that I didn't.
Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean I didn't address it. I did.
NOTHING in that verse indicates that it is improper to communicate with the saints in Heaven. And what might I ask do you think of the verse that it follows?
When I cited a verse that says the faithful in Christ are saints you responded:
"So, you believe you possess the authority to declare yourself a saint"
Actually, that IS NOT what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
"So, you believe you possess the authority to declare yourself a saint and at the same time you believe you can deny the ability of the saints in Heaven to pray?"
but then said "I'm not disputing that," even tho you just disputed it.
And I did not dispute it.
You asked for "a single verse in the New Testament" because you didn't like the OT verse upthread, yet when a NT verse was provided you simply ignore that you ever asked it, falsely accuse me, deny what you had just implied, then ask for another verse.
I asked for a New Testament verse because at the time of the Old Testament there WERE NOT any saints in Heaven. And I did not ignore your verse, I simply disagreed with your interpretation of it.
Any luck finding a verse which suggests that sainthood terminates with death?
Good luck with that.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
The article posted clearly quotes the devil and goes on to use that quote to support the doctrine you are defending.
"One day a colleague of mine heard the devil say during an exorcism: "Every Hail Mary is like a blow on my head. If Christians knew how powerful the Rosary was, it would be my end."
That right there is a doctrine of the devil plain for all to see.
It is incredibly naive to believe anything a demon says, yet you believe the demon.
Good luck with that too.
So, you agree that sainthood does exist in Heaven? If that is the case, why are they incapable of hearing prayer?
I won't even bother addressing anything else you have said except to note that it has long been the tactic of the enemies of His Church to declare His Church satanic.
It is rather ironic that the YOPIOS crowd has fashioned a large portion of their bigotry around the denial of Luke 1:48.
"A third constant in Patristic writings is the Circumcision of Christ conceived as continuous with his work of redemption. Since the debt incurred by the sin of Adam cannot be met by Adam’s insolvent progeny and since Christ’s blood pays the ransom his Circumcision becomes, as it were, a first installment, a down payment on behalf of mankind."
Oh, dear. It's worse than I thought.
Christ's circumcision, as an act, was one more instance of Jesus Christ fulfilling the law of God.
The blood Christ shed at His circumcision did not save anyone, just like His saliva doesn't save anyone, nor His toenails.
But this error is what permits Rome to sell vials of "holy water," and to make trinkets into idolatrous relics, and to insist His mother was born without sin when absolutely none of that matters one single bit to anyone's salvation.
Rome is tangled up in the material world when it needs to look to the spiritual. Christ's blood on the cross, and only Christ's blood on the cross, ordained by God to be "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world," is what covers His flock with His righteousness and His faith and His obedience and His mercy and His ability to fulfill the law perfectly.
Really, stfassisi, keep posting utter nonsense like this, so foreign to the word of God and to the victorious redemption Christ won on the cross, and God willing, more and more people will recognize the idolatrous superstition that is at the heart of the papacy.
And flee from it.
lol. That's just because Roman Catholic idolatry is so clearly and repetitively exhibited on this forum. Same old, same old.
All idolatry is alike. It all confuses God with man, and denies the sovereignty of the Triune Lord, giving credit to the creature for what rightly belongs to Creator alone.
Some sell his foreskin. real relics ya know >(
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
I have made it my mission to pray the Rosary every day first thing in the morning. I have missed some days - and find that is to my own detriment. The meditative nature of the Rosary really does center me and gives me strength.
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