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To: Manic_Episode; Natural Law; Judith Anne
To which I replied" "Matthew 18:19,"

I clearly addressed your question so don't say that I didn't.

Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean I didn't address it. I did.

NOTHING in that verse indicates that it is improper to communicate with the saints in Heaven. And what might I ask do you think of the verse that it follows?

When I cited a verse that says the faithful in Christ are saints you responded:

"So, you believe you possess the authority to declare yourself a saint"

Actually, that IS NOT what I wrote. This is what I wrote:
"So, you believe you possess the authority to declare yourself a saint and at the same time you believe you can deny the ability of the saints in Heaven to pray?"

but then said "I'm not disputing that," even tho you just disputed it.

And I did not dispute it.

You asked for "a single verse in the New Testament" because you didn't like the OT verse upthread, yet when a NT verse was provided you simply ignore that you ever asked it, falsely accuse me, deny what you had just implied, then ask for another verse.

I asked for a New Testament verse because at the time of the Old Testament there WERE NOT any saints in Heaven. And I did not ignore your verse, I simply disagreed with your interpretation of it.

Any luck finding a verse which suggests that sainthood terminates with death?

412 posted on 04/19/2010 10:12:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
You ask for a verse that does not exist to prove a point that does not exist.

Good luck with that.

1 Timothy 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

The article posted clearly quotes the devil and goes on to use that quote to support the doctrine you are defending.

"One day a colleague of mine heard the devil say during an exorcism: "Every Hail Mary is like a blow on my head. If Christians knew how powerful the Rosary was, it would be my end."

That right there is a doctrine of the devil plain for all to see.

It is incredibly naive to believe anything a demon says, yet you believe the demon.

Good luck with that too.

413 posted on 04/19/2010 10:41:53 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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