[Dr. Eckleburg]

This scandal is pervasive and goes to the heart of a priesthood made up of men who are considered to be an "alter Christus" -- "another Christ."

Mahoney Part Deux.

[caww]

It certainly seems this venom in the Priesthood needs to be taken out and instead just grows more deeply embedded. I do not understand how this continues to be an issue...if they are gay priests they need to be outed..period. Perhaps there are so many of them they are equally as many who are shoving it under the mat to hold their own positions because they too practice homosexuality? This is the conclusion I have drawn as this poison grips those within the catholic church. It is not uncommon homosexuality leads to child sexual abuse. Even some in the Priesthood are acknowledging it's a grave problem that isn't being resolved.

Fifteen years ago I lived in a community where a young man in his teens was the "boy" for the Priest in their church. I asked the individual who shared this with me why if it was general knowlege didn't the people speak up on the boys behalf. She said though it was understood nobody dared to cause an issue for the church since the Priest was well know and liked. So they simply turn their heads, as she said. Thus making them as quilty as the Priest for doing that.

[Puddleglum]

wait for the facts and the trial

[Antoninus]

The lies and slander you spread will be brought before you at your judgment. Repent.

[marshmallow]

This scandal is pervasive and goes to the heart of a priesthood made up of men who are considered to be an "alter Christus" -- "another Christ."

I'm not sure what "pervasive" means. "They're all at it"? Is that your meaning? Please clarify. Anyway, let's look at some actual numbers for the US.

Source: The John Jay Report

Does that look "pervasive"? OK, the graph stops in '02 but recent data released a couple of weeks ago indicates that there is no recent upwards spike. Overall, 4% of Catholic priests have been accused of sexual misconduct during the years shown in this graph. That figure is heavily skewed by the peak years in the '70s. The number accused over the last decade would be below 1%, I believe.

The "alter Christus" comment is really a theological question which has no bearing on the abuse issue. I presume you're implying that if sin and scandal within the Church reaches some arbitrary, unspecified level, then the Church loses its credibility and/or right to make theological claims about the nature of the priesthood.

That would be a false assumption. The sins of Judas did not in any way alter the nature of the ministry conferred on the other Apostles.

Mahoney Part Deux.

Not really. Religious orders have their own superiors and while they require permission from the local bishop to work in his diocese, the bishop is not responsible for their overall administration or internal discipline.

Minor detail but an important one in this case.

Anything else?

[BlessedBeGod]

Mmmmm, yeah, right. You might want to read this first before you go dancing with joy over another article trashing the Church: More Bogus Charges Against Archbishop Gomez

[the_conscience]

Praying that God will use the exposure of these crimes to lift the cloud of delusion that affects many Romanists and move them to find Churches that teach the gospel of grace freeing them from the judiazing gospel of Rome.

[Campion]

This scandal is pervasive and goes to the heart of a priesthood made up of men who are considered to be an "alter Christus"

As was explained to me on another thread by one of your friends, when a Protestant minister does egregiously immoral stuff, you guys simply declare him to have been an "unbeliever" and move on.

Which is rather facile, since a Protestant church brought him up in the faith, a Protestant seminary educated him in the faith, and a Protestant congregation elevated him to the ministry.

BTW, you still don't have a clue what alter Christus means.

For starters, here's what it "entitles" someone to:

And this:

Of course, he's entitled to that as alter Christus. It's the prize he gets on earth to prepare him for the prize he'll get in heaven.

Of course, laypeople are also called to image our Blessed Lord:

[DBeers]

This scandal is pervasive and goes to the heart of a priesthood made up of men who are considered to be an "alter Christus" -- "another Christ."

Actually, the scandal primarily and foremost involved those predisposed to and or those engaging in homsexual activities...

This is ignored by the leftist media that supports the homosexual agenda and as such attacks the one true Church rather than the homosexual agenda advocates that invaded it. They and those who assist in the attack on the Church rather than the cause of the scandal do the work of Satan...