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Five Problems, Five Solutions (Catholic Caucus)
The New Liturgical Movement ^ | March 25, 2010 | Jeffrey Tucker

Posted on 04/05/2010 4:09:27 PM PDT by Desdemona

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To: Desdemona
Yep, Byrd and Tallis were both unreconstructed Catholics.

They weren't shy about it either, but the royals knew better than to mess with them. They just looked the other way.

I don't know about Morley or about my new find -- Thomas Weelkes. We sang his "Alleluia - I Heard A Voice" recently, and it's like skyrockets going off all over the place. You can hear a snippet of it here.

21 posted on 04/05/2010 6:33:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm more of a Widor fan, myself. Our organ scholar played the Toccata and Fugue form Symphony 6 from memory for his audition for Julliard. No sweat. It seems mouths dropped open.

Well, when a church that seats 1500 uses one cross for veneration, it takes a while. With the number of seminarians, Dominican, and wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles YOUNG JESUITS (who came to us rather than their own church nine blocks down the street, where the 100+ rank organ pipes were thrown in a dumpster), we were halfway through it (about 10 minutes in) before the cross left the sanctuary. We sang every note in our binders - about 12 anthems - on Friday. And then there was communion.

22 posted on 04/05/2010 6:35:17 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
We sing the Brahms "How Lovely is Thy Dwelling Place" fairly regularly. The crowd loves it - it IS rather lush and beautiful.

I prefer the more chaste and restrained English Renaissance myself, but that's just me. Probably my Anglican raisin'.

We've started doing Anglican Chant for the Psalm occasionally, just to vary the mix a little bit. I don't think it's actually been revealed that it's Anglican, but they all like it.

Wrt Proulx, he has some excellent stuff -- and his work on the 1982 Episcopal Hymnal alone would get him gold stars. Musically that volume is superlative. The usual deadwood - just multi-culti deadwood instead of the treacly Victorian kitsch of the 1940 edition - but plenty of pure gold. I think he wrote the descant for "Crown him with many crowns" which is more fun than a day at the races.

23 posted on 04/05/2010 6:39:06 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Desdemona
Nothing wrong with Widor, or Vierne. We hear them regularly too.

Funny story (stop me if I've told this one :-D ). Our music director has a doctorate from Juilliard in organ performance and is a big fan of the Frenchies, as I mentioned.

When BXVI celebrated Mass at St. Pat's in NYC, the music program was posted on line . . . but not the organ postlude. I was listening to it and thinking, "Darn, that sounds 20th c. French" (I'm beginning to recognize the style since I hear it so often), so I asked our choirmaster the next day if he knew what it was. But he had to go somewhere and missed the tail end of the Mass, so he didn't know.

Sometimes the obvious thing is just to ask - so I Emailed the music director at St. Pats -- and he Emailed me back very promptly with the info that the work was "Tu Es Petrus" by Henri Mulet.

I relayed that info to our man on Thursday night at choir practice -- and he regaled us with stories about Mulet (apparently he retired at the height of his career to go raise chickens in Provence). And guess what the postlude was on Sunday?

It ain't easy: Tu Es Petrus

But our man plays it considerably more up tempo . . . he loves to rip through stuff like a buzzsaw. I dunno how he does it, but it's magnificent to listen to.

24 posted on 04/05/2010 6:50:23 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Desdemona
Hurrah for the young Jesuits!

The old ones are o.k. too -- it's the ones in the middle that are the problem. My daughter's confessor at college is a 90 year old Jesuit. I thought she was just kidding me about his age til I saw his pic on the parish website - he really IS about 90 years old! Cent' anni! He's one of the good ones.

25 posted on 04/05/2010 6:52:25 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Desdemona
Pueri Cantores looks interesting -- I've experienced the RSCM program from the inside, though, with two kids going through it to Dark Blue and assisting with the coaching.

I can't tell from a cursory look at the website whether they have the course program with achievement levels and awards. That was a big selling point to hard-charging musical kids.

It's also been used in our altar server program with good effect -- the kids work hard for promotion and master a considerable amount of difficult material.

26 posted on 04/05/2010 7:00:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Desdemona

Our Cantor sang the Exultet, near the beginning of the Vigil Mass, then the Litany of the Saints, which another choir member and I punctuated at points with handbells. It was lovely!


27 posted on 04/05/2010 8:03:09 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AnAmericanMother
I think Pueri is just concerts, but I'm really not sure. We've had it for some time and our kids are really good.

It's funny, the junk is losing its appeal for a lot of directors, but not so much for some of the people. I think it's hit and miss. Not all parents see the value in learning classical musicianship. Sad.

28 posted on 04/05/2010 8:07:45 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: AnAmericanMother
The Episcopalians may be a bunch of heretics, but they take their music seriously.

I LOVE the "Oxford Book of Hymns"! The hymns are gorgeous, and are seriously Christian in their content.

29 posted on 04/05/2010 8:08:09 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AnAmericanMother
Yep, Byrd and Tallis were both unreconstructed Catholics.

Two of my FAVORITES!

30 posted on 04/05/2010 8:14:04 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Desdemona

Great post. I’ll read it thoroughly in a bit.


31 posted on 04/05/2010 10:59:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

And sort of unfortunately, last night we kind of got into a rather arcane discussion on English Renaissance and French organ masters, along with a few Italians and a Spaniard. If you’re not really into this stuff.... It doesn’t change that as a church we’ve forgotten how to chant and even for those of us who are classically trained singers it takes a while to get it to sound like chant and not a Wagnerian opera.


32 posted on 04/06/2010 5:32:31 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona

Is chant that easy? I do not know. I am a member of a parish choir and just doing the last two verses of the Holy Thursday procession hymm ( in Latin ) before the body of the Lord was placed in speical adoration alter by St. Thomas Aquintas was very hard.


33 posted on 04/06/2010 8:58:58 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Desdemona

I did get for my birthday on Saturday the two “Chant” cd’s from the Spanish Benedictines to listen to. Love the chanting, but to listen. Could I learn it, but as a child of VC 2, I just do not know.


34 posted on 04/06/2010 9:02:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Desdemona

Could the chant music be translated into English?


35 posted on 04/06/2010 9:05:15 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Desdemona

Teach the chants in English, that is translate them, kept the beautiful sound part in the translation.

I heard a beautiful English translation of the Exultet by a deacon who transfered from another parish about close to a year ago Holy Saturday. If that can be done, then the chants can be done in translation.


36 posted on 04/06/2010 9:12:30 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Desdemona

My parish has a wonderful lady music minister. Knows her music well.


37 posted on 04/06/2010 9:17:07 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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During the last few months, she had to take a leave of absence for medical reasons, will be back this week. The sub taking her place, taught some beautiful songs, one a spiritual. Sprituals are from the heart to God, in song prayer form. One is “Change My Name”.


38 posted on 04/06/2010 9:21:23 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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Chant isn't necessarily easy or hard -- it's just different. If you've never done it before, there is a learning curve.

Not only the notation is different - the manner of singing is different too. Let's leave aside for a moment all the little performance minutiae that the Solemnes monks have laid down, and just talk about basics.

Chant is sung as though you were speaking, with the emphasis on the words just as they would be spoken. It doesn't have a strict meter or time -- again, you chant the words just as they would be spoken, with the natural rhythm of a rather formal speaking - "declamation" as our choirmaster says. You breathe where you would breathe when speaking (the Solemnes notation kindly gives breath marks for you, they do make sense, but if you have the music in ordinary staff notation just make a tick mark where you should breathe, just as a reminder.)

As far as the tone itself, it should be a simply produced, rather "straight" tone - i.e. no vibrato or quavering, no swooping from note to note. Each note should build or flow from the previous one, from the beginning to the end of a phrase. Simplicity, solemnity, purity is what you're aiming for. If your usual music is towards the "pop" end of the scale, or the romantics, you'll have to rethink the style a little bit.

Since I came from the Episcopal Church which never abandoned chant, I was taught the basics of performance style very early on (in fact, I was instructed to "warm up" my tone a little bit because I was taught the "Anglican hoot" - which is a very straight tone with no warmth at all). But I had to learn to read the notation, which the Piskies do not use.

What you can do to practice is call up YouTube and search for it - especially the versions that run the text and music visually on the page together with the sound. Sing along. We sang the "Tantum ergo" also while processing to the Altar of Repose (actually we sang the entire "Pange Lingua", which is the longer hymn from which the "Tantum ergo" is taken. We had quite a distance to hike!)

Here's the "Pange Lingua" in its entirety, with the music flowing along so you can follow it. "Tantum ergo" begins at verse 5. The performance is very good, very simply sung with no vibrato and nice carrying tones - although their rhythm is fairly strict for chant:

Pange Lingua

39 posted on 04/06/2010 9:26:35 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: All

Just found the origin of the title of above song is “If He Change My Name?”


40 posted on 04/06/2010 9:29:27 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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