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To: Sporaticus

By your comment you must not have respect for God, or His
Son, or the Scriptures. I am not a JW, but I do study the
Scriptures. You might learn something if you did, too.
In the Greek New Testament two words are used for “the
cross” on which the Lord was put to death.
The word ‘stauros’ means upright pale or stake.
The other word ‘xulon’ denotes a piece of dead log or
wood or timber, for fuel or for any other purpose.
It is not like ‘dendron’ which is used of a living
or green tree. The verb ‘stauroo’ means to drive stakes.
Our English word ‘cross’ is the translation of the Latin
word ‘crux’; but the the Greek ‘stauros’ no more means
‘crux’ than a “stick” mean “crutch”.
Stauros never means two pieces of timber placed across
one over the other at any angle, but is ALWAYS of
one piece of alone. There is nothing in the Greek
of the New Testament even to imply two pieces of timber.
Acts 5:30- The God of our fathers raised up Jesus,
whom ye slew and hanged on a tree ‘xulon’ (dead
timber or stake). The present day understanding
of the cross was introduced by the Roman Church late in
the Forth Century. It has no basis in the Bible.
E. W. Bullinger-The Companion Bible.


17 posted on 04/03/2010 4:54:01 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Doulos1

***There is nothing in the Greek
of the New Testament even to imply two pieces of timber.***

If it is just an upright stake, what do the Greek Orthodox believe it is? A cross!

Bullinger also believed that ONLY the last few letters of Paul are for the “body of Christ” today and that the church began at Acts 28, when Paul journied to Rome.


30 posted on 04/03/2010 8:38:04 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Obama's vision for America...Green shoots and skittles, where pancakes grow on fritter trees.)
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To: Doulos1

>By your comment you must not have respect for God

Yes you are holier and sit atop a much higher horse than I.
Why do you write like this?
Do you consider yourself an apologist?
Certainly my comment was not personal and actually written to ‘nobody’. Good day Holy One!


60 posted on 04/04/2010 10:05:05 AM PDT by Sporaticus
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To: Doulos1

You are kidding, right?

Not even close. And there is VERY VERY early evidence that the traditional Cross (2 pieces) is what was used both by the Persians and the Romans. UGH!

Russell new NOTHING about Greek and the JW twisting of scripture is rivaled only by the Mormons.


74 posted on 04/04/2010 8:16:18 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Doulos1

The *shape* of the cross on which Jesus died is totally irrelevant. Sure, it could have been a stake or a cross or whatever. Why is that even important? Jesus died after being hanged on some wood. *That* is what’s important.


75 posted on 04/04/2010 8:18:22 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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