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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
But your suggestion that God has something to do with our health and wealth is interesting since the NT makes it clear that being born blind is not indicative of God's punishment.

Those infirmities are not "punishments." We're all born with imperfections.

It's more interesting to think you do not believe God gives us all that we possess, including health and wealth.

If God does not give us those things, who does?

Moreover, our earthly life has little or no connection to God's grace,

Everything is according to God's grace. If a man has been redeemed, he will surmount his handicaps. If he hasn't been redeemed, he will succumb to them.

Also, God does not force himself, but grace by "vaccination" seems to suggest exactly that.

I thank God every day He "forced" His way into my life and that He made me realize I am His possession. That knowledge is at the heart of Christian liberty. If you don't experience that, you are missing something precious. Christians can relax -- they have been forgiven; they have been redeemed; they are His.

382 posted on 04/15/2010 10:36:53 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper
It's more interesting to think you do not believe God gives us all that we possess, including health and wealth.

By your thinking, God makes criminals, mentally challenged, God makes us sick, blind, brain damaged, etc.

If a man has been redeemed, he will surmount his handicaps

I see, so those who struggle and fail were not redeemed...

I thank God every day He "forced" His way into my life and that He made me realize I am His possession

Right...nothing like being forced and owned. That's true love/sar. I can see why slavery flourished as a Christian institution; it was the "labor of love."

Christians can relax -- they have been forgiven; they have been redeemed; they are His.

Facing the unknown, I suppose it is comforting to some people to believe fanciful stories. Others may simply give themselves to their God unconditionally and say "your will be done, I am yours," or, dispensing with human fancy, simply surrender to the obvious and admit "whatever will be will be."

383 posted on 04/15/2010 11:29:20 AM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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