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To: vladimir998
Nope. It’s simply international law. Period.

FISA is a federal statute, so international law has nothing to do with it.

Logically, no one. The pope NEVER made the argument.

I can't help you, if you provide nothing more than ipse dixit and tautlogies in the face of unassailably authority that the Holy See uses soverign immunity to thwart justice where it is involved in "commercial activities, as FISA defines it, i.e. where it does business.

As far a providing links, I will be happy to provide official reports if you freepmail me and provide an email address. In the meantime, I will cut and paste all I like.

83 posted on 04/01/2010 3:34:39 PM PDT by frithguild (I gave to Joe Wilson the day after, to Scott Brown seven days before and next to JD Hayworth.)
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To: frithguild

You wrote:

“FISA is a federal statute, so international law has nothing to do with it.”

Someone living in another country is not bound by US law in his own homeland. Last time I checked, Vatican City was not a US territory.

“I can’t help you, if you provide nothing more than ipse dixit and tautlogies in the face of unassailably authority that the Holy See uses soverign immunity to thwart justice where it is involved in “commercial activities, as FISA defines it, i.e. where it does business.”

Nice attempt to create a straw man. You went from this:

“Seems that the Pope asserts the same position he did in 1164 regarding the trial of criminous clarks.”

to this:

“As I see it, a foreign governmental body that purposely avails itself of conducting business in the host jurisdiction (accepts donations) submits itself to the laws and their administration by the courts of the jurisdiction.”

to this:

“The Pope is making the argument that he is entitled to the immunity that is to be accorded to a “foreign sovereign” in a host jurisdiction.”

And this at the SAME time:

“Furthermore, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” How does the Pope’s assertion of soverign immunity accord with this lesson?”

And then this (which shows you have no idea of what you’re talking about):

“Which all brings me back to Matthew. The coin that I put in the basket on Sunday commercially benefits the Holy See, which refuses to render it back onto Ceasar by asserting sovereign immunity.”

Listen, you should really throw in the kitchen sink too. After all it’s the only thing you haven’t thrown in and it is as irrelevant as all your other comments.

What I posted early on is still irrefutably true:

1) The pope has immunity and that will never change.
2) This is guaranteed by international law and that will not change either.
3) The pope made no such argument. The Vatican official merely restated what every educated person already knew: international law guarantees that the pope has immunity.

“As far a providing links, I will be happy to provide official reports if you freepmail me and provide an email address. In the meantime, I will cut and paste all I like.”

It wasn’t just the cutting and pasting that was a problem. It was the PLAGIARISM. Don’t pass off what isn’t yours as yours. Go ahead and tell me you didn’t do that if that makes you feel better.


87 posted on 04/01/2010 8:59:36 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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