Do Mormons need an Anti-Defamation League?

Mormon Times ^ | March 31, 2010 | Joel Campbell

[Colofornian]

Jews have one. Catholics have one. Do Mormons need an independent anti-defamation group...

-- I suppose Latter-day Saints shouldn't be too surprised the latest put-down from Chuck Colson, leader of the Prison Fellowship. Ironically, it was as he and leaders of Christian groups announced a new "civility covenant."

When a reporter asked if the covenant should include Glenn Beck, CNN reported Colson saying that the document:

"Wouldn't apply to Glenn Beck because we're talking about the conversation in the family of believers ... Glenn Beck is a Mormon." CNN continues: "Many Christians don't consider Mormons -- members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- to be Christians, though Mormons consider themselves Christian."

Colson's statements follow a long line of less-than-civil evangelical exclusionary actions including keeping Mormons out of National Day of Prayer services to a Christian student press group excluding BYU journalism students from its competition.

SNIP

Here's another example from friends at the ADL during the campaign entitled "Judge Romney by his platform, not his Mormonism":

"But two recent polls found that at least one quarter of Americans said they would not vote for a Mormon for president. These findings are troubling and disappointing, but so is the fact that some religious conservatives have compared the Mormon religion to a 'cult' and its doctrines to paganism. The Web site of Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network, for example, says the religious beliefs of Mormons 'are simply wrong,' and 'when it comes to spiritual matters, the Mormons are far from the truth.' While doctrinal differences and debates among Christian groups are their own theological business, such assertions are surely painful and disturbing."

[Elsie]

So then; does this mean we need to flog the Mormons?

[Elsie]

 

It is NOT defamation to draw the line in the sand.

Amen!

2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.

[Elsie]

Seriously, thread after thread is chocked full of false and misleading statements.

And yet YOU have NEVER posted any TRUE information to counter it!

Why not?

[Elsie]

You want the truth right?

I'd be VERY happy with just one more UNTRUTH!!!

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What did Joseph Smith learn to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism?

Answer this one and then perhaps we'll talk.

[Elsie]

Prove it, you made an assumption, now prove it.

No; he did not.

He made a SLANDEROUS ACCUSATION!

(Or is it LIBELOUS since it's in a PRINTED format?)

[Elsie]

Wonder why that is...

When your only tool is a hammer;
everything looks like a nail.

[Elsie]

learn what it truly means to be a Christian by reading your bible yourself

John 6

28. Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29. Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

[reaganaut]

I knew that, I was attempting to push a driveby poster into a proper response.

We know more about LDS doctrine then their own members seem to.

[reaganaut]

I believe Libel is correct.

[Vendome]

You know I have not determined what JS learned to be untrue about Presbyterianism.

Did he?

[Elsie]

Because there are too many people here twisting and misrepresenting.

Then name them!

Point out the ERRORS!

Do ANYng but WHINE all the time!

[Vendome]

Dang it! I blew the joke!

I’ll remember next time.

[Elsie]

So, instead of wasting my breath on those that obviously have no real interest in the truth, I point out to others that what is being done here daily, attacking Mormonism, shouldn’t be where you get all of your info.

You point out NOTHING!

An emtpy shell at LEAST has an echo...

[Vendome]

cheesy poster always has wine with their “type”

[Elsie]

 

You thought you had to have faith in Joseph Smith? You didn’t pay very close attention in church then. Perhaps you should discuss this with your home teachers.

You aren’t the first person to be misled away.Indeed!  we agree on something!

 

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"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."

 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

 

 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."

- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

 

 

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"

- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

 

 

There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"

- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

 

 

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."

 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

 

 

 

"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"

 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

 

 

[Vendome]

Come on PD. Illuminate us. We have eaten more than our fair share of humble pie on these posts and more than willing to admit, in the face of evidence, we are wrong.

Doesn’t taste good but we do eat it from to time.

[Elsie]

 

You thought you had to have faith in Joseph Smith? You didn’t pay very close attention in church then.

For starters; but that was then; and this is NOW!

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from the mouth of a late Prophet of MORMONism:

 

In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

[Elsie]

Ya gotta know when to fold ‘em...

know when to RUN!

[reaganaut]

LOL.

[Elsie]

 

How to Spot a CYLON???

 

 

What one REALLY needs to know is...

 

How to Spot a DEMON!!!

Straight from the horses, uh, mouth.....

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THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 129

 

Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished. HC 5: 267.

1–3, There are both resurrected and spirit bodies in heaven; 4–9, Keys are given whereby messengers from beyond the veil may be identified.

 

  1 There are two kinds of beings in ^aheaven, namely: ^bAngels, who are ^cresurrected personages, having ^dbodies of flesh and bones—

  2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not ^aflesh and bones, as ye see me have.

  3 Secondly: the ^aspirits of ^bjust men made ^cperfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.

  4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

  5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

  6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

  7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the ^aorder of heaven for a just man to ^bdeceive; but he will still deliver his message.

  8 If it be the ^adevil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not ^bfeel anything; you may therefore detect him.

  9 These are three grand ^akeys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

 

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