Posted on 03/30/2010 10:38:29 AM PDT by NYer
Thanks for the lesson. I vaguely recall while getting my degree in theology that this was the case. Your follow on comments are irresponsible, but they explain why you resist Paul's teaching. Clever, but sad, characteristic of the Catholic audience...first, argue that those outside the org don't get Paul right (YPIOS nonsense), then if that doesn't work, argue Paul is defective anyway, since it is not provable that it is really Paul. We have little remaining to discuss. I was beginning to expect more, Mark, but you have retreated to the broken confines of the cult mentality. This is why the Reformation was necessary...too much love of the org, not enough truth left.
If you can read Isaiah through and not realize that Jesus, the Son in the triune Godhead, is the Messiah described, you disappoint me even further. Is. 45:21 in part, "...Is it not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none except Me." Of course the Jews rejected Jesus as part of the predetermined plan and with the foreknowledge of God (Acts 2:23ff), but my claim did not say that the Jews would recognize Him, only that He was the one that fulfilled these prophecies. And Paul clearly explains many of the ways that Jesus fit the bill in the letter to the Hebrews. You don't even address the point.
It is utterly tragic to see you refer to the "Church" like this monstrosity that is not you. Herein lies the beauty of the Gospel (and in contradistinction to Rome's perspective): You, if you are in Christ Jesus, ARE the Church. Unlike the Roman Catholic Church's claim that IT is something apart from the believers, the Scripture tells another story. "For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another." Rom. 12:4,5. But, then again, this is Paul, or maybe not, or maybe so?
But, since your remarks continue to point to the organization, rather than these claims of Scripture, you speak about confidence in the group, rather than confidence in Christ. But, the Scripture doesn't put such confidence in the group...any group. The Scriptures clearly state that we people are the Body of Christ, the Church, not some organization, not some buildings in Vatican City, not some bishops, cardinals, popes or writings of theirs. They are deluded and wrong to take such honor to themselves, modern day Pharisees. They are held captive by the devil to do his will and teach you that the "Church" is apart from you, bigger than you, more correct than you.
My hope would be that someday, you could shed the chains of the suffocating monster that holds you tight to its chest and instead embrace Jesus alone. Or more correctly, that He would free you from their demonic grip and allow you to see Him alone.
bless them all
Well, of course, for Muslims and followers of Allah, they would say Christianity is from the pit. But they are wrong.
true, and I do rejoice when Baptists spread the word among peoples in N-E India, in Africa and in Arabia —> they too do God’s work.
“That is the very definition of fruitless. That one statement shows that the hundreds of words you have posted in this thread was just an exercise in futility. “ —> well put, a sensible discussion can happen, when you have sincere posters posting positive messages about their beliefs. Anything else is just mud-slinging.
let’s pray for more people to discover Christ in the new year!
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