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I know this get’s beat to death all the time, but I have a number of problems with the Catholic interpretation of all of this. In no particular order....

1)If this was such a monumental occasion that the Catholic church likes to think, then why isn’t Peter’s supposed place as the “rock of Christianity” or the “nurmero uno church leader” mentioned in the other gospels or even the letters? In fact in Acts 12 and Acts 15 it is clear that James is in charge and not Peter.

2)Why is it that in all of the rest of the Bible is God refered to as rock or foundational stone but in this one instance Peter is supposedly now the “rock”?

3)Why is it that Peter in one instance in this chapter, is this supposed “rock of Christianity” upon which the gates of Hell can’t fight against, but then a few verses later he’s rebuked by Jesus as “Satan”?

4)I’m not a language scholar, but I’m wondering what proof the Catholic church has that Jesus spoke to Peter in Aramaic? When Jesus spoke in Aramaic, it was recorded as such.

5)Lastly, like someone else already pointed out, why doesn’t the Catholic church recognize that by putting Peter as the “rock of Christianity” they minimize Jesus?


11 posted on 03/27/2010 11:41:02 AM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc

**why doesn’t the Catholic church recognize that by putting Peter as the “rock of Christianity” they minimize Jesus?**
We don’t minimize Jesus.

Please read my post above.

Christ knew he was going to die and chose Peter as a leader of the apostles. Do you believe with just this one statement?


12 posted on 03/27/2010 1:03:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ScubieNuc
Perhaps you need to read ALL the Biblical references to Peter:
 
Or do you choose to read only the quotes of Peter that seem to pertain to your points of view -- which I believe might be mistaken when you look at the entire picture.  (SELECTIVE readings of the Holy Scriptures or YOPIOS -- Your own private interpretation of Scripture -- which is it?)
 
What will you say to St. Peter when he meets you at the moment of your death and says you cannot enter heaven because you did not believe Jesus Christ when HE spoke about Peter?
 
HMMMM -- something to think about, eh?
 
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Mk 8:29
And he (Jesus) asked them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter said to him in reply, "You are the Messiah."
Mt 18:21
Then Peter approaching asked him, "Lord, if my brother sins against me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?"
Lk 12:41
Then Peter said, "Lord, is this parable meant for us or for everyone?"
Jn 6:67-68
Jesus then said to the Twelve, "Do you also want to leave?" Simon Peter answered him, "Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."
Mt 14:27-28
At once (Jesus) spoke to them, "Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid." Peter said to him in reply, "Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the water."
Lk 5:3-8
Getting into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, he (Jesus) asked him to put out a short distance from the shore. ... He said to Simon, "Put out into deep water and lower your nets for a catch." Simon said in reply, "Master, we have worked hard all night and have caught nothing, but at your command I will lower the nets." When they had done this, they caught a great number of fish and their nets were tearing. ... When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at the knees of Jesus and said, "Depart from me, Lord, for I am a sinful man."
Mk 10:28
Peter began to say to him, "We have given up everything and followed you."
Mt 17:24-25
...the collectors of the temple tax approached Peter and said, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?" "Yes," he said. When he came into the house, before he had time to speak, Jesus asked him, "What is your opinion, Simon?"
 
Mk 3:16-17
He (Jesus) appointed the twelve: Simon, whom he named Peter; James, son of Zebedee, and John ...
Mt 10:2
The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon called Peter, and his brother Andrew; James, the son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
Lk 6:13-14
When day came, he called his disciples to himself, and from them he chose Twelve, whom he also named apostles: Simon, whom he named Peter, and his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew,
Acts 1:13
When they entered the city they went to the upper room where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip ...
Acts 2:37
... they asked Peter and the other apostles, "What are we to do, my brothers?"
Lk 9:32
Peter and his companions had been overcome by sleep ...
Acts 5:29
But Peter and the apostles said in reply, "We must obey God rather than men."
Jn 20:3-8
So Peter and the other disciple went out and came to the tomb. They both ran, but the other disciple ran faster than Peter and arrived at the tomb first, ... but did not go in. When Simon Peter arrived after him, he went into the tomb and saw the burial cloths ... Then the other disciple also went in, the one who had arrived at the tomb first ...
Jn 21:15-17
Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs" ... "Tend my sheep." ... "Feed my sheep."
1 Cor 15:3-5
... Christ died ... was buried ... was raised on the third day ... that he appeared to Kephas, then to the Twelve.
Gal 1:18
Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to confer with Kephas and remained with him for fifteen days.
Gal 2:9
James and Kephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas their right hands in partnership ...
Gal 2:11
And when Kephas came to Antioch, I opposed him ...
Gal 2:14
... I said to Kephas in front of all ...
1 Cor 1:12
I mean that each of you is saying, "I belong to Paul," ... "I belong to Kephas," ...
1 Cor 3:22
Paul or Apollos or Kephas, or the world or life or death, or the present or the future: all belong to you ...
1 Cor 9:5
Do we not have the right to take along a Christian wife, as do the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Kephas?
Acts 2:14
Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice, and proclaimed to them, "You who are Jews ..."
Acts 3:12
When Peter saw this, he addressed the people, "You Israelites, why are you amazed at this?"
Acts 4:8
Then Peter, filled with the holy Spirit, answered them, "Leaders of the people and elders"
Acts 5:3
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart ..."
Acts 5:29
But Peter and the apostles said in reply, "We must obey God rather than men."
Acts 8:20
But Peter said to him, "May your money perish with you ..."
Acts 10:34
Then Peter proceeded to speak and said, "In truth, I see that God shows no partiality."
Acts 11:4
Peter began and explained it to them step by step, saying...
Acts 15:7
After much debate had taken place, Peter got up and said to them ...
Acts 3:6
Peter said, "I have neither silver nor gold, but what I do have I give you: in the name of Jesus Christ the Nazorean, (rise and) walk."
Acts 9:34
Peter said to him, "Aeneas, Jesus Christ heals you. Get up and make your bed."
Acts 9:40
Peter sent them all out and knelt down and prayed. Then he turned to her body and said, "Tabitha, rise up."
Acts 5:15
Thus they even carried the sick out into the streets and laid them on cots and mats so that when Peter came by, at least his shadow might fall on one or another of them.
Acts 10:9-10
The next day, ... Peter went up to the roof terrace to pray at about noontime. ... he fell into a trance.
Acts 10:46-47
Then Peter responded, "Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people, who have received the holy Spirit even as we have?"
"Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers."
Jn 21:15-17
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep."
Mt 16:15-19
He (Jesus) said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter said in reply, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

13 posted on 03/27/2010 1:11:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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