Posted on 03/25/2010 12:58:38 PM PDT by TaraP
The world will have an extraordinary opportunity to look upon an undistorted, never-before-seen, moving 3-D portrait of a man who many think is the crucified Jesus Christ.
In just one week, graphic experts will bring to life an imprint on the holy relic known as the Shroud of Turin, believed by millions to be the burial shroud of Christ.
The Shroud of Turin bears the full-body, back-and-front image of a crucified man that is said to closely resemble the New Testament description of the passion and death of Christ. The 14-foot cloth long has posed mysteries because of its age and its negative image of a bloodstained and battered man who had been crucified. Believers claim it to be the miraculous image of Jesus, formed as he rose from the dead.
The History Channel will air "The Real Face of Jesus?," a special two-hour event that premieres March 30 at 9 p.m. EST. It aims to bring the world as close as it has ever come to seeing what Jesus may have actually looked like.
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You sound like you were born without a sense of humor.
My apologies, my only excuse besides being a known moron is that I drove a motor home all day and am quite tired.
Please forgive me.
John
The new testament doesn’t say much about how Jesus appeared but from the encounter with the Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well she knew just by looking at Jesus that he was one who would worship at Jerusalem. Obviously from physical appearance or the clothing he wore or a combination of both he appeared recognizably Jewish.
Occurred after His death.
Excuse me but now you are making up stuff. There has been ONE burial in an outlying cemetery where fragments of burial cloths were found in a collapsed tomb... and no face cloth, but a jaw binding was found. One instance of a burial in a rural cemetery does not invalidate the Biblical references to Joseph of Arimathea buying a "fine Linen Cloth," a Sindon," for Jesus' burial.
and gw, as for “blood decomposition products, traces of pollen matched by location and even germination time of year to species specific TO the outskirts of Jerusalem; studies on weaving of the fabric; studies on the anatomy of the body”... Who did the work, and when was it done? 30 years ago? Univacs doing the probability calculations, or were they using slide rules, like the SR-71 boys in the old Lockheed “Skunk Works”?
Do you really like coming across as an idiot, Flowerplough? Before you open your mouth and remove all doubt, it might behoove you to read the peer reviewed articles in the scientific journals from the last twenty years where this research was published by some of the World's foremost experts in those fields. For example, the work tracing the pollen to plants matching specific species and even season... and even specifying extinct plants that died out before the third Century was done by Dr. Avinoam Danin, Professor of Botany, Department of Evolution, Systematics, and Ecology, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel, IS the World's foremost expert on plants and pollens of the area. . . in 1998. I could go on, but I am NOT going to do your research for you... suffice it to say, YOU could not be more wrong!
And, FlowerPlough? The off hand comment of a humorist is not considered expositive evidence in scholarly discussions. If you want to discuss the amount of wood that makes up the true cross relics, you might rather refer to a recent scholarly paper that was done, in which an exhaustive census was undertaken of such relics, exact measurements of each were made, and catalogued, and the volume calculated. Unlike Twain's pithy comment about there being enough to build several barns, there was found only sufficient wood to represent about 1/3 of the patibulum—the cross piece. So much for popular assumptions. I will grant you that there are apparently more than three known "true nails"—I know of at least nine claimants—but far fewer than Twain's "keg."
God bless you bro.
R;;ted whatver,
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Good to see you
Good to see you too, friend
An unauthorized C-14 test was done prior to the 1988 test from a thread pulled from the center of the Shroud.
Thank you for this wonderful information! It’s nice to be able to ask someone who knows what he is talking about, rather than rely on my faulty memory (at least I got some of it right!) I am curious, how did they acquire the piece from the center area? I assume that it is almost impossible as the Vatican is so very protective of it (and rightfully so). Also, is it also true that the image is fading and will eventually disappear? What would cause this? Is it exposure to light? Is there any other current information that the general public is not aware of that you can share with us? By the way, I really appreciate you taking the time to write back (and inform me). Thanks :)
The newfound shroud was something of a patchwork of simply woven linen and wool textiles, the study found. The Shroud of Turin, by contrast, is made of a single textile woven in a complex twill pattern, a type of cloth not known to have been available in the region until medieval times, Gibson said.
Both the tomb's location and the textile offer evidence for the apparently elite status of the corpse, he added. The way the wool in the shroud was spun indicates it had been imported from elsewhere in the Mediterranean—something a wealthy Jerusalem family from this period would likely have done.
First Such Shroud, Second Such Textile
Assuming the new shroud typifies those used in Jerusalem during the time of Jesus, the researchers maintain that the Shroud of Turin could not have originated in the city.
That's perhaps a big assumption, given that there are no other known shrouds from the same place and time for comparison—though in one case clothing had been found in a Jerusalem tomb.
"There have now been only two cases of textiles discovered in Jewish burials from this period," said archaeologist Amos Kloner of Bar Ilan University. And both appear to contradict the idea that the Shroud of Turin is from Jesus-era Jerusalem.
As for the analysis of the newfound shroud, the researchers "checked their findings with the best experts, and this textile was found to be different [from the Shroud of Turin]," said Kloner, who was not involved in the new study, published today in the journal PLoS ONE.
To Kloner, the most important aspect of the new find is that the shroud could be carbon-dated. Examples of Jerusalem textiles from this period—never mind burial shrouds—are so rare that their main importance is in providing organic material for such tests.
The opportunity to compare the weave of this shroud to the weave of the Shroud of Turin is simply an added bonus, he said. "It is wonderful that they found this niche with the remains of a person, and even remains of hair," Kloner said. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091216-shroud-of-turin-jesus-jerusalem-leprosy.html
Thanks for the information. I lost it the other day (lotta pings, hard to find things from a day or two ago).
I will do some searching.
Bump
The thread was among the numerous sample threads pulled during the STURP testing done in 1978.
The image is not "fading." Rather the background is darkening as the base material is aging to the color of the image tint. Eventually the linen will have aged and darkened to match the tint of the caramel color of the image. By keeping the Shroud away from light and in an atmosphere that minimizes oxidation, this aging process can be minimized... it cannot be completely stopped.
Other information not currently published? Under computer enhancement, it has been found that the image on the shroud is definitely male... and circumcised. Something that would have unlikely to have been done to a non-Jewish European of the medieval period. This information came to me directly from Barrie Schwortz.
Yes, you are. And you did... when you denigrate work you haven't bothered to read. Sneering at it as being done on Univacs or with slide rules, demonstrates you don't know what you are talking about and therefor have no basis for criticism. I might point out that the A-bombs, which worked quite well, were calculated with slide rules. Your reliance on ad hominem attack arguments does you favors, Flowerplough, and shows more of your idiocy.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
If you went into a cemetery today and in one grave found a Linen shroud... and then went to another cemetery and found a cotton one... would finding the cotton one prove that the linen was not typical? NO. it would not. Niether one proves anything at all about TYPICAL of the general nature of shrouds at all. The claim that it does tell loads about the agenda of the claimant. A true scientist would not make the claim.
Thank you... however, the person this was addressed to was attacking people without bothering to know who or what he was attacking. And attacking people on here with comments that were derogatory toward them. I think I was justified making the comment that he was "coming across as an idiot," not that he was an idiot. I was criticizing his actions. Not his person. I will attempt to be a bit more clear in the future. I do notice his comments have been removed.
It might have been His dialect.
The LORD has given to me, years ago, an utterly wondrous vision of Jesus’ face revealing the glory of God while I was gazing upon a picture of the face on the shroud. Pure love flowed from his face in the form of light. The light, though, had visible substance. The vision The LORD showed me cannot be adequately described nor do I believe possibly imagined. It was far superior to anything I have ever imaged or seen in all of my life.
I have since followed the studies carefully as I know it is Christ's face. The studies stand on their own. I challenge all who do not think so to do an unprejudiced intensive search and study of the facts concerning this shroud and see what you will become to believe. Those who think it is not Christ's shroud usually if not always are ignorant of facts.
Thanks again for all the information! Is this the same Mr. Schwortz who originally photographed the Shroud for STURP? If it is, please let him know how appreciative we are that he has been so steadfast in proving the authenticity of the Shroud (and disproving some pretty crazy theories!). My husband and I get exited when we see him, we agree that he is our favorite expert because he makes so much sense. Last time we saw him on t.v. we looked at each other and simultaniously exclaimed “He’s my favorite!”. I just thought he should know! Thank you too for clearing some things up for me. You are wonderful too! :)
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