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Vatican Defends Decision Not to Defrock U.S. Priest
Reuters ^ | 3/25/10 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 03/25/2010 7:00:24 AM PDT by marshmallow

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican did not discipline a Catholic priest accused of sexually abusing up to 200 deaf boys in the United States from the 1950s to the 1970s as Church laws do not require automatic punishment, its spokesman said on Thursday.

The New York Times reported on Thursday that the Vatican did not defrock Rev. Lawrence Murphy in the late 1990s despite receiving clear warnings from his bishops that his case was serious and could embarrass the Church.

The report came amid mounting allegations of sexual abuse by priests in Europe and pressure on bishops, mostly in Ireland, to resign for failing to report cases to civil authorities.

Among 25 internal Church documents the Times posted on its website was a 1996 letter about Murphy to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then the Vatican's top doctrinal official and now Pope Benedict, showing he was informed of his case.

Ratzinger's deputy first advised a secret disciplinary trial but later reversed that in 1998 after Murphy appealed directly to Ratzinger for clemency. The priest died later that year.

Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said in a statement that Murphy had broken the law but a civil probe into complaints against him in the mid-1970s had been dropped and the Vatican only learned of the allegations 20 years later.

"The canonical (Church law) question presented to the Congregation was unrelated to any potential civil or criminal proceedings against Father Murphy," Lombardi said.

"In such cases, the Code of Canon Law does not envision automatic penalties."

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The 1996 letter to Ratzinger from the then Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert Weakland was not answered, the Times said.

After eight months, Weakland wrote a second letter to Ratzinger's deputy at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), .....................

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The Pope's crime: failing to respond to two letters from Weakland 20 years after the events.

1 posted on 03/25/2010 7:00:24 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
The Pope's crime: failing to respond to two letters from Weakland 20 years after the events.

Because since the abuse occurred 20 years ago that means it's not as bad today.

The Pope's crime is not taking action to protect innocent children.
2 posted on 03/25/2010 7:04:04 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marshmallow

I think this is related to two things:

The Chruch viewing Homosexauls as o.k. in the Priesthood as long as they are not overtly practicing homosexuals, and

The requirement for a celebate lifestyle in the Regular Clergy.

Both actions invite homosexuals. And although not all homosexuals are sexual predators, it is an abberration in which that kind of behavior can florish, especially given the authority that goes with the clerical robe.


3 posted on 03/25/2010 7:06:17 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: marshmallow

In a related way, Pius XII didn’t say anything about the Holocaust.


4 posted on 03/25/2010 7:07:32 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years. That's 2.739 billion years.)
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To: marshmallow

Then Abp. Ratzinger was probably confused by the situation of the flaming gay liberal Weakland reporting on someone else. The priest in question was dying at the time and passed away within a year. Weakland may have been trying to divert suspicion from himself.


5 posted on 03/25/2010 7:11:04 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: MikeWUSAF
The Pope's crime is not taking action to protect innocent children.

Be honest.

Did you actually read the article?

The abuse occurred in the '70s, the Vatican was not notified until 20 years later and the priest died in '98 after a prolonged period of poor health.

Minor details.

Archbishop Weakland, himself a homosexual, is the malefactor here.

6 posted on 03/25/2010 7:12:15 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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Look, if the NY Times wants to criticize the Pope for not removing these priests from contact with children and alerting the proper authorities that is fine and I am in general agreement. If, however, the criticism (as it is in this case) is that the Pope did not take the opportunity to defrock a terminally ill priest 20 years after the fact and 4 months before he died because the Pope accepted his repentance, what is a secular newspaper’s standing for that criticism?

Whether he is defrocked or not has no effect on his ability to perpetrate any future injury or crime, and the Pope’s reasoning in granting mercy and accepting repentance from a sinner is WAY above my paygrade and something that has absolutely no relevance to the secular criminal justice system.

How can it not be clear that the NY Times has declared war on the Catholic Church when they give a front page headline to this as the latest in a series of articles on abuses by priests?


7 posted on 03/25/2010 7:17:18 AM PDT by Lonely NY Conservative
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To: marshmallow

Oh...oh...I thought this was about the non-Catholic priest who runs Notre Dame...never mind...


8 posted on 03/25/2010 7:22:23 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: marshmallow

Excuse me- but are not Nazis who participated in crimes against humanity over 50 years ago still being hunted and prosecuted if found? Are they any less guilty of horror and evil because they are doddering old men? Are they excused now?

BECAUSE this is about people who claim to represent GOD we should be more determined to expunge them from the clergy. Covering up such evil, sick abuse of authority and religion cannot be tolerated.
HOW DARE THEY- Pope or anyone else- expect to be excused for tolerating( and aiding!)evil? Why should they not be as reviled as lay people who allow boyfriends and relatives to sexually abuse their children?
Let the heads roll- from the parishes to the Vatican! Better a smaller, clean Church than a large, diseased one.
I am one Roman Catholic who is sick of this, and unafraid of prosecuting ANY and EVERYone involved-past and present.
I want to KNOW if my parish priest- or any clergy that wants me to respect and honor them as consecrated servants of God- is/has violated anyone or is homosexual, since that makes them illegitimate priests with no right to perform as one. And I will- and do- ask directly.
If they are offended, I conclude that they are- at least- tolerant and defensive of such ,
We can no longer safely assume otherwise; the clergy should be as outraged as we are. What’s the popular argument re.
‘good’ Muslims? The good should clean house- if they won’t I won’t assume they are good.


9 posted on 03/25/2010 7:25:11 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Amen.

LLS


10 posted on 03/25/2010 7:26:38 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Wolverine!)
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To: ClearBlueSky
You'll have a problem prosecuting this guy.

He's dead.

And when he was alive it was the civil authorities who declined to prosecute. Weakland was his bishop so it's no surprise that there was mess.

11 posted on 03/25/2010 7:28:43 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
Meanwhile, the Catholic Church refuses to defrock or excommunicate open Communists, a.k.a. practicioners of so-called 'liberation theology'.

Why creeps like Father Pfleger and his ilk that advocate for a political philosophy that has resulted in the cold-blooded murder of over 100 million people can still be a Catholic priest in good standing is mind-blowing.

12 posted on 03/25/2010 7:36:13 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: marshmallow

“The Vatican did not discipline a Catholic priest accused of sexually abusing up to 200 deaf boys”

He, like any other disgusting pervert that abuses children ought to be taken out and f**king GUT SHOT!


13 posted on 03/25/2010 7:38:19 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
The abuse occurred (a minimum of) 22 years before the Vatican was notified. The abuse took place between 1960 and 1974; the Vatican heard about it in 1996.

The police and prosecutors didn't bother to bring charges.

The local bishop(s) all dropped the ball.

But everything is the Vatican's fault. The agenda is completely transparent.

14 posted on 03/25/2010 7:46:39 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Grunthor

You do realize that he is already dead, right?


15 posted on 03/25/2010 7:46:50 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: marshmallow

So the dead guy got away with it. He was no longer a legitimate priest when he died and should not have been buried as one. Can’t change that now- but can’t continue to excuse the reasoning that allowed it either, can we?
The thinking- the knee-jerk defense- of such sickos in the Church has gotten us to this point. Instead of protecting the Church and its credibility, they care more about protecting each other- and the Church sickens.
If the Vatican loves the diseased priests more than the Church, it is self-destructing.
Bring it ALL out in the open- the guilty and those who protected and excused them. Let them shrivel in the light of truth instead of cloaking themselves in false honor and respectability. I will not take sacraments from hypocritical pedophiles or those who have excused and protected them. No one should.


16 posted on 03/25/2010 7:47:47 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: OldNavyVet

The Nazis sure thought he did.


17 posted on 03/25/2010 7:48:18 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: ClearBlueSky
Do you have any harsh words toward the police and the district attorneys who heard the victims' complaints and ignored them, according to the NY Times article?

Or is it all the Pope's fault?

18 posted on 03/25/2010 7:49:07 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: vladimir998

I do.....I made a mistake in tense present/past.

My apologies.


19 posted on 03/25/2010 7:53:04 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: Campion

OH, I agree that there is an agenda here. But the Church is helping it!
The answer is not to ignore this to thwart the agenda- it is to CLEAN HOUSE so the agenda is useless!

22 years ago is STILL happening. The mindset is still there, up to the Vatican. You think it’s not?
Look at it this way- it took this long to hear about this extreme case, how many less extreme will we never hear about because the protectionist mindset still dominates? How many will we hear about 20 years from now?
This is about civil law and child abuse AND church law and breaking vows. BOTH sets of laws should be enforced without prejudice. Forgiveness and mercy for their souls can be discussed AFTER the deed has been lawfully punished.


20 posted on 03/25/2010 7:57:32 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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