Are Anti-Mormons Christians?

FAIR ^ | Russell McGregor

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From mormon "scripture", Doctrine and Covenants, Section 124 comes this instruction from the "Lord" to Joseph Smith:

 

49 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings.

  50 And the iniquity and transgression of my holy laws and commandments I will visit upon the heads of those who hindered my work, unto the third and fourth generation, so long as they repent not, and hate me, saith the Lord God.

  51 Therefore, for this cause have I accepted the offerings of those whom I commanded to build up a city and a house unto my name, in Jackson county, Missouri, and were hindered by their enemies, saith the Lord your God.

  52 And I will answer judgment, wrath, and indignation, wailing, and anguish, and gnashing of teeth upon their heads, unto the third and fourth generation, so long as they repent not, and hate me, saith the Lord your God.

  53 And this I make an example unto you, for your consolation concerning all those who have been commanded to do a work and have been hindered by the hands of their enemies, and by oppression, saith the Lord your God.

  54 For I am the Lord your God, and will save all those of your brethren who have been pure in heart, and have been slain in the land of Missouri, saith the Lord.

  55 And again, verily I say unto you, I command you again to build a house to my name, even in this place, that you may prove yourselves unto me that ye are faithful in all things whatsoever I command you, that I may bless you, and crown you with honor, immortality, and eternal life.

  56 And now I say unto you, as pertaining to my boarding house which I have commanded you to build for the boarding of strangers, let it be built unto my name, and let my name be named upon it, and let my servant Joseph and his house have place therein, from generation to generation.

  57 For this anointing have I put upon his head, that his blessing shall also be put upon the head of his posterity after him.

  58 And as I said unto Abraham concerning the kindreds of the earth, even so I say unto my servant Joseph: In thee and in thy seed shall the kindred of the earth be blessed.

  59 Therefore, let my servant Joseph and his seed after him have place in that house, from generation to generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord.

  60 And let the name of that house be called Nauvoo House; and let it be a delightful habitation for man, and a resting-place for the weary traveler, that he may contemplate the glory of Zion, and the glory of this, the corner-stone thereof;

  61 That he may receive also the counsel from those whom I have set to be as plants of renown, and as watchmen upon her walls.

  62 Behold, verily I say unto you, let my servant George Miller, and my servant Lyman Wight, and my servant John Snider, and my servant Peter Haws, organize themselves, and appoint one of them to be a president over their quorum for the purpose of building that house.

  63 And they shall form a constitution, whereby they may receive stock for the building of that house.

  64 And they shall not receive less than fifty dollars for a share of stock in that house, and they shall be permitted to receive fifteen thousand dollars from any one man for stock in that house.

  65 But they shall not be permitted to receive over fifteen thousand dollars stock from any one man.

  66 And they shall not be permitted to receive under fifty dollars for a share of stock from any one man in that house.

  67 And they shall not be permitted to receive any man, as a stockholder in this house, except the same shall pay his stock into their hands at the time he receives stock;

  68 And in proportion to the amount of stock he pays into their hands he shall receive stock in that house; but if he pays nothing into their hands he shall not receive any stock in that house.

  69 And if any pay stock into their hands it shall be for stock in that house, for himself, and for his generation after him, from generation to generation, so long as he and his heirs shall hold that stock, and do not sell or convey the stock away out of their hands by their own free will and act, if you will do my will, saith the Lord your God.

  70 And again, verily I say unto you, if my servant George Miller, and my servant Lyman Wight, and my servant John Snider, and my servant Peter Haws, receive any stock into their hands, in moneys, or in properties wherein they receive the real value of moneys, they shall not appropriate any portion of that stock to any other purpose, only in that house.

  71 And if they do appropriate any portion of that stock anywhere else, only in that house, without the consent of the stockholder, and do not repay fourfold for the stock which they appropriate anywhere else, only in that house, they shall be accursed, and shall be moved out of their place, saith the Lord God; for I, the Lord, am God, and cannot be mocked in any of these things.

  72 Verily I say unto you, let my servant Joseph pay stock into their hands for the building of that house, as seemeth him good; but my servant Joseph cannot pay over fifteen thousand dollars stock in that house, nor under fifty dollars; neither can any other man, saith the Lord.

  73 And there are others also who wish to know my will concerning them, for they have asked it at my hands.

  74 Therefore, I say unto you concerning my servant Vinson Knight, if he will do my will let him put stock into that house for himself, and for his generation after him, from generation to generation.

  75 And let him lift up his voice long and loud, in the midst of the people, to plead the cause of the poor and the needy; and let him not fail, neither let his heart faint; and I will accept of his offerings, for they shall not be unto me as the offerings of Cain, for he shall be mine, saith the Lord.

  76 Let his family rejoice and turn away their hearts from affliction; for I have chosen him and anointed him, and he shall be honored in the midst of his house, for I will forgive all his sins, saith the Lord. Amen.

 

Thus, according to mormon "scripture" saith the Lord.....

[metmom]

Jesus shredded the Pharisees for corrupting the Law and that didn’t make Him anti-Jewish or not a *Christian*.

Pointing out error is not anti-anything and it’s not unchristian.

If Mormons themselves don’t want to be called Christian, then why do they object when others don’t want to call them Christians either?

[T Minus Four]

We don’t believe the Book of Mormon OVERRULES the Bible at all. They compliment and support each other.

And Christians believe it is blasphemy to imagine that the bible "needs" a book to support it, especially one that claims to be "another gospel"

Besides, it appears that Mormons ignore both and go with the D&C, which contradicts both the Bible and the BOM.

[Favor Center]

“I don’t want to hijack this thread to discuss the heresy of protestantism.”

Which is not a heresy, of course.

[ejonesie22]

Exactly. I really don't understand those Christians who say to confront Mormonism is mean and hurts our Mormon friends feeling, but seem to be totally at ease letting them waltz straight down the path of damnation.

I guess my definition of “mean” is old fashion...

[metmom]

It’s funny because it IS true that Mormons don’t play that game. We don’t say “You all don’t believe in Christ the way we do so YOU aren’t Christian.”

Um, that's EXACTLY what the article is saying.....

For that matter, then why do Mormons come knocking on my door proselytizing me telling me that if I don't believe THEIR way, I'm not going to heaven?

[T Minus Four]

Christianity ...is defined by the central belief that Christ is the Resurrected Son of God, and the only available path to Salvation. To the extent that an “anti-Mormon” believes that, he is a Christian.

Huh, well, that’s my core belief and I am LDS.

Nope sorry. Your definition of "Christ", "Son of God", and "salvation" are substantially different than what Christians beleive.

[Leoni]

CHRISTIAN: A name first given to the followers of our Lord at Antioch (Acts xi, 26). Since the rise of Protestantism the name has been used in so many different senses as to have become almost meaningless: it may indicate a Catholic or a Unitarian, or even be applied to an infidel who displays some virtue which is associated with Christ. It may reasonably be applied to the members of all the ancient churches whether in communion with the Holy See or not, and to those Protestants who profess, explicitly -or implicitly, the Nicean creed in its traditional Interpretation. The Church puts no definite official meaning on the word, as she does on Catholic. (Catholic Dictionary, Donald Attwater, 1958, TAN Books)

Slightly Older Catechism:

PROTESTANT: Protestants teach that everyone should read the Bible and interpret it for himself. As a result, they do not agree within their own ranks as to just what is to be believed. Indeed, the number of Protestants who believe in the Trinity is diminishing rapidly; and many who profess to believe in it have only a vague notion of what the Trinity means. Therefore, there are many Protestants, including Protestant ministers, who either doubt or deny Christ’s divinity, and so can hardly be considered Christians.”

[reaganaut]

misleading people or lying to make the LDS church look good or to get people to join is called ‘lying for the Lord”.

[MHGinTN]

When I posted that, it was quite hurried. You at least could allow me to edit, to correct spelling and typos. ; ^)

I am flattered that you though enough of the post to repeat it here. BTW, I stand by it wholeheartedly.

[metmom]

And, as I remember, there was a whole lot of killing that went on between Catholics and Protestants on that same question.

Can you say "Mountain Meadows massacre"?

[colorcountry]

So then I’m curious, which of all the churches teach the “correct doctrines”?

All of them. If they teach incorrect doctrine they are not Christian Churches.

[stinkerpot65]

Wouldn’t you agree that someone who believes in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Redeemer of mankind through his Atonement, maybe someone that is, say, Christian?

Ultimately, only God can make that judgment. What does it matter what others call you? However, many of your beliefs are so, so far from the Bible that I just hope God is merciful.

No minds will be changed through these internet discussions. So I just hope things turn out well for Mormons. Otherwise, I don't know. Scary.

[reaganaut]

The bigger issue is that these beliefs are a slap in the face to the sovereignty of God.

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Amen.

[ejonesie22]

It was beautifully done.

[Paragon Defender]

“It’s funny because it IS true that Mormons don’t play that game. We don’t say “You all don’t believe in Christ the way we do so YOU aren’t Christian.”

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Um, that’s EXACTLY what the article is saying.....

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Um no it’s not. Try again. Read slower perhaps.

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For that matter, then why do Mormons come knocking on my door proselytizing me telling me that if I don’t believe THEIR way, I’m not going to heaven?

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They say nothing of the sort. Try listening next time.

So you, like many others on this board, neither read nor listen to anything but what they have predetermined as the truth?

You and others, like reaganaut for example could learn a little something by looking up some of these “objections” on the website the article comes from.

Seriously you need to because you are only regurgitating old and tired objections that have been around and well explained for years.

[Tennessee Nana]

re-read anew through several sections and it is clearly trinitiarian in aspect and approach, even more clearly that the Bible in some ways.
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That's because Solomon Spaulding and Ethan Smith and the other authors that Joey Smith plagiarized had read early Church fathers and wrote about the Trinity in their books..

[reaganaut]

HUG! LOL.

[ejonesie22]

Yeah, it's hard to be consistent when you're cheating off others...

[SnakeDoctor]

I regard Catholicism as a denomination of Christianity which is no less fallible, and no more ordained than any other denomination. I am sure there are erroneous interpretations of scripture in the Catholic church, just as there are likely errant interpretations within Protestant denominations.

Thank the Almighty for Grace, which will undoubtedly cleanse us of honest doctrinal misinterpretations.

That there are Protestants and Catholics (perhaps even ministers, pastors, priests and bishops) that do not meet the qualitiative definition of “Christian” is undeniable. But, though I believe Christianity to be the truth, I do not believe any one denomination has a monopoly on infallible scriptural interpretation. As such, I give no particular weight to Catholic catechism.

SnakeDoc