Turin in Philly

NC Register ^ | March 16, 2010 | JOHN BURGER

[Ann Archy]

??? Is it Veronica’s veil or are there two?

[NYer]

Thank you! for that marvelous explanation. I love science but would have been a terrible scientist. I rather like keeping some things a mystery. I subscribe to the Astronomy Picture of the Day list and simply marvel at the wonders that fill our heavens. I also teach young children religious education and it is so refreshing to see the world anew through their young eyes. Sometimes we simply need to step back and look up into the sky to grasp the reality of God. When atheists go on the attack with me, I ask them to create something from nothing. Perhaps that is why our Lord said we had to become like little children in order to enter into the kingdom of God.

This suggests that the "moderately early" Church understood there to have been "grave clothes" in addition to a "head cloth".

And it would make perfect sense that the early christians had an understanding of the burial clothes that they safeguarded for so many centuries. Ii has been a while since I visited the Shroud Story web site and in researching some information today, I came across the following:

But the Earliest Words Might Be 1st Century

In a poem, the Hymn of the Pearl, we find Jesus allegorically saying that in a garment, justifiably a burial garment, that he sees two entire images of himself, one facing outward and one facing inward -- in other words ventral and dorsal images.

And what about the other images on the Shroud! And the pollen! It is such a treasure, preserved throughout 2000 years for us to view and on which to meditate, especially in this holy season of Lent.

[wagglebee]

There are copies of Veronica’s Veil, but the one believed to be the actual veil is at St. Peter’s Basilica. It is displayed once a year on (I believe on Passion Sunday).

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“At present the carbon-dating results do seem to disprove the Shroud’s authenticity...”

Thank you for your comments. I did not address carbon-dating in my previous post, though I am aware of the controversy. There is evidence that the intense heat in a fire may have scewed those results. Russian scientists had a piece of linen from the time of Christ and did carbon dating on it before and after exposing it to the intense heat. My understanding is that the heat changed to make it look younger than it was, similar to dating of the shroud. The fabric itself matches weave etc from the first century.

Again, it is not about artifacts, it is about Him. And yes, we do need to remind ourselves of our own role in the need for His death and resurrection.

[Ann Archy]

Wow!! I saw the Crown of Thorns at Notre Dame on Good Friday, the only day it’s exposed!!!

[wagglebee]

Also, Veronica’s Veil WAS NOT placed over our Lord when He was placed in the tomb. She wiped His face on the Via Dolorosa.

[wagglebee]

That would be incredible to see!

[Ann Archy]

I know.....have you been to Israel?? It is UNBELIEVABLE!!

[aruanan]

Thanks for the link.

[wagglebee]

NYer posted links here about the Sudarium which IS in Spain and DID cover the face of Jesus in the tomb:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2472235/posts?page=25#25

It is a totally different relic from Veronica’s Veil.

[Ann Archy]

SUDARIUM!!! Thank you....dccouldn't think of the name of it!!

Where is Veronica's Veil exactly?

[wagglebee]

The Veil of Veronica is ALSO a sudarium, but it is kept at St. Peter's in the Vatican.

[Ann Archy]

OMG!!! How wonderful!! Does the face match the Shroud’s face??

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“At present the carbon-dating results do seem to disprove the Shroud’s authenticity...”

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/Shroud-of-Turin-Carbon-14-Dating-Mistake.pdf

If you haven’t seen it, I thought you might find this link iteresting.

[grey_whiskers]

Just noticed you for the first time on this thread.

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