Maybe he wore this
Posted on 03/15/2010 12:07:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
Edited on 03/23/2010 6:15:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
When Glenn Beck told listeners of his radio show on March 2 that they should "run as fast as you can" from any church that preached "social or economic justice" because those were code words for Communism and Nazism, he probably thought he was tweaking a few crunchy religious liberals who didn't listen to the show anyway. Instead he managed to outrage Christians in most mainline Protestant denominations, African-American congregations, Hispanic churches, and Catholics...
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hummm?
I have had several Evangelical friends tell me that they believe that it’s not grace alone, though they are in the minority.
This one friend invited me to attend a Wednesday meeting at her church. I don’t know what congregation she went to. This was several years ago and it was a small congregation only about 100 or so members that attended regularly. There were like 60 there that night. when most of the congregation found out that I was Mormon, they glared at me.
I have to assume that it was an Evangelical congregation since they all said they were Evangelicals and, IIRC, the name of the church had “Evangelical” in it, but that doesn’t mean much.
The preacher very specifically said that it wasn’t by grace alone, that we needed to have works to be saved. He even used the phrase that I know upsets a lot of “grace only” type people, and that was “cheap grace.” That is why I even remember the sermon. I never thought I would ever hear an evangelical preacher use the term “cheap grace.”
Then that preacher is teaching against the Bible and is teaching legalism instead and against God.
And yes. there are wolves in sheeps clothing pretending to be Christians.
Do you remember the name of the church or denomination?
HOW did they "find out" you were mormon? Did you announce it to one and all?
I have visited many Christian churches, and have NEVER announced to anyone or been ASKED what my beliefs were...I was just welcomed.
I have to call bull hockey on that one...unless you made a big deal out of not drinking the after service coffee! "Oh no, I CAN'T..I'm mormon"...
How did they know?
Good question. I missed that.
Maybe he wore this
I bet neither of you were ever asked that question.
I bet neither of you were ever asked that question.I bet neither of you were ever asked that question.
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NEVER. I have never, in 17 years as a Christian, been asked what other church I attended or denom I belonged to or if I was Mormon.
And I have never gone to church with a friend or someone else who said anything about it either.
It just doesn’t come up. People don’t care.
And how fast could info like that travel during a service anyway? seriously.
I have been asked my name. I have been asked if I am visiting for the first time. I have been told its really cool my eyes are green. I have been asked if I would like to stay afterwards to have some sweets and coffee. I have been asked if I have any questions.
I think that's about it.
oops Forgot to ping you.
But back to our previous “60s” talk, I was asked once if I wanted some pot.
Now THAT’S hospitality for you!
That pretty much covers what I was asked as well.
I may have been asked if I had children once.
LOL. Good girl. :D
Am I twisting on purpose or am I asking questions because I don’t understand? Twisting things implies intent to deceive.
Lady R, (does it bother you if you call you that?) you said:
Many of my early ancestors never thought about not being able to return to God on their own. They never even thought about returning to God. A lot of my ancestors were Vikings. My flimsy claim to fame is that I’m descended from Lief Ericksson. As Vikings, some of my ancestors worshipped Odin, Thor, or whomever. It wasn’t about getting grace and returning to God to live in peace and harmony for the eternities. For them, it wasn’t, according to what I know, a matter of grace. It depended completely what they had done in this life.
According to you, only God can reveal the truth to me. Am I mistaken here?
If God can only reveal the truth to me, and He doesn’t, what am I suppose to do?
Will my praying help any? If praying isn’t a work, something that I do on my own, then God through His grace, more or less forces me to pray, because it’s not something I can do on my own and get an answer. Am I incorrect here?
You seem to be frustrated that I don’t trust you, in spite of you trying to be truthful to me of your feelings, but I have read the Bible and feel that God has led me in a different direction than you want me to go.
I have prayed about this and I have studied and I honestly feel that I am doing what the Lord wants me to do, yet you accuse of relying on the arm of flesh.
What it seems to me that you are saying is that I shouldn’t rely on the arm of flesh to find out what God wants me to believe and do, but if it’s not like you believe, then I am wrong. Don’t you see the problem here?
This is something that I have experienced many times with Evangelicals and other denominations who have tried to “help” me find the light.
They usually start out simply wanting me to trust them and their beliefs and accept what they believe is the truth as the truth. (Mormons do the very same thing and it irritates me to no end.) I have no doubt in their sincerity.
But when I question them about their beliefs, they start to tell me that I am wrong, wrong, wrong, and that if I was to simply ask God to show me the light and if I would just read Bible, God would create a new being within me and I will know joy like I’ve never know it before. (Hmmm, sounds like what some Mormons say also.)
They don’t want me to ask them questions, they just simply want me to believe.
So, I tell them that every night before I go to bed, I pray and I always ask God to help me find the truth and be willing to accept it, no matter where it came from. I ask Him every night for His help in making me a better person. I tell them that I have read the Bible several times and I just don’t see everything that they tell me that is in there. I don’t agree with how they interpret the scriptures.
Then I get accused of being close-minded and not relying enough on Christ. If I would just read the Bible with an open mind, like they do, I would see the errors of my ways and I would forsake them.
You know, it’s really irritating when I get accused of being closed-minded simply because I don’t agree with the other person, no matter how sincere they are.
I get accused of reading the scriptures with a biased eye. Well, I didn’t grow up in a vacuum and, in all my years, I have never met a person who couldn’t look at anything without some type of bias. And when I tell them that I can’t read the Bible without any biases and that I doubt if they can either, they get all upset. Here are people denigrating me without even knowing me and they are getting upset.
I tell them that I have prayed about it, many, many times about it, and God seems to be leading me to what I currently believe. He hasn’t led me anywhere else. More often than not, I get told that that is because I’m not praying to God; that I am praying to the Mormon god or maybe even Satan. They ask to me not get a picture of the Mormon god in my mind as I’m praying to God, that I should imagine the “Christian” God. Well, I ask them what the Christian God looks like and they say that they don’t know because He’s spirit and we don’t know what He looks like. When I tell them that they have just told me to imagine something that can’t be imagined, that they just asked to do the impossible. They get even more upset with me.
Wait, why are they getting upset with me? I’m being patronized and now I’m being told that I pray to Satan.
Then they usually start in telling me all the faults and problems of the Mormon Church and more often that not, they are very wrong with their accusations. I tell them that I don’t want to hear what is wrong about what I believe, but what do they believe and why. Nope, they have been told by God to confront me.
Lady R, I really, really hope that you aren’t going down this same path.
I get tired of being patronized and being treated as a know-nothing.
All this happens in the Sanctuary while you are just chit chatting with people.
I didn’t just announce that I was Mormon. One of the congregation is an acquaintance and he announced to all, in a rather disdainful way, that I was Mormon. I’m not going to deny it.
Call all the hockey you want.
Aw, you poor thing...better stay away from THAT place from now on!
You have given some good examples of what work is, but not a definition. I was hoping for a definition.
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