Why Does Glenn Beck Hate Jesus?

Time.com ^ | March 14, 2010 | Amy Sullivan

[Colofornian]

When Glenn Beck told listeners of his radio show on March 2 that they should "run as fast as you can" from any church that preached "social or economic justice" because those were code words for Communism and Nazism, he probably thought he was tweaking a few crunchy religious liberals who didn't listen to the show anyway. Instead he managed to outrage Christians in most mainline Protestant denominations, African-American congregations, Hispanic churches, and Catholics...

[reaganaut]

I have seen almost all the “proof texts” used by critics of the Mormon Church and I have found them all to be unconvincing,

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That isn’t what I said, what I said was that all the LDS ‘proof’ texts from the bible can be refuted easily by showing the context of the verse.

And Mormons are NOT Christians. Sitting in your garage does not make you a car or an auto mechanic.

[urroner]

reaganaut said:
And Mormons are NOT Christians. Sitting in your garage does not make you a car or an auto mechanic

I say:
Sorry to deflate your ego, but Mormons are Christians. Stating that everybody who doesn’t believe like you is a heathenistic pagan doesn’t make it so. You and your type have been trying to hijack the word “Christian” and you’re failing.

You need to listen to your own advice to me. You around claiming to one and all that you are a car and that anything not like you can not be a car, not even a bad car. I find that rather humorous.

[reaganaut]

Sorry to deflate your ego, but Mormons are Christians. Stating that everybody who doesn’t believe like you is a heathenistic pagan doesn’t make it so.You and your type have been trying to hijack the word “Christian” and you’re failing.

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Sorry to deflate YOUR ego, but it is the LDS who are hijacking the term Christian. They twist Christ into something unrecognizable and then claim they are the only ‘true’ Christians and the rest of us are pagans.

And you assume that I consider everyone who doesn’t subscribe to my particular denomination to be pagan. Not even close. I accept most Christian groups as Christian, provided we all agree on the Person, Nature, and Work of Jesus Christ. The LDS DO NOT, therefore are not Christians. Period.

I know the LDS think they are Christians, but their Christ bears NO resemblance to the Christ of the Bible.

Let me know when you grow a steering wheel.

[svcw]

It is interesting to me that lds want to be called Christian. Until just a few years ago they DID NOT want to be called Christian.
My uncle a former bishop told me the reason the lds stopped drinking coffee was to have another level of separation from Christians.
If you would tell me why after all these decades it is now so important that lds be referred to as Christian.

[urroner]

I don’t need a steering wheel because I’m not a car, but I do have a fine handle-bar mustache. I don’t think you are a car, but I do think that you are being silly.

[urroner]

Is it important that people think of you as a Christian if you are one?

[reaganaut]

And I think you are deliberately missing the point.

Calling yourself a Christian doesn’t necessarily mean you ARE one.

Ever hear of the term ‘nominal Christian’?

[Zakeet]

reaganaut said:
And Mormons are NOT Christians. Sitting in your garage does not make you a car or an auto mechanic

I say:
Sorry to deflate your ego, but Mormons are Christians. Stating that everybody who doesn’t believe like you is a heathenistic pagan doesn’t make it so. You and your type have been trying to hijack the word “Christian” and you’re failing.

Your assertion Mormons are Christian is ludicrous for at least three reasons

FIRST: MORMONISM REJECTS MANY ESSENTIAL CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES

I suggest you check out the article: We're Christians just like you! wherein the author presents a number of well-annotated examples.

If necessary, dozens of additional articles and illustrations can be found on this WEBSITE alone.

SECOND: THE MORMON CHURCH UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNS CHRISTIANS AND CHRISTIANITY

And the angel of God said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. – Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10-11

My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong) – and which I should join. … I was answered by God that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof." He again forbade me to join with any of them – Prophet Joseph Smith, Joseph Smith History 1:18-20

Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167

The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God. – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171

Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." – Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:176

Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127

Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing ... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God. – Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225

The Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable … but with the Bible it was not and is not so … it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was. – Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ."No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. – Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7

If still not convinced, you can find many more similar quotes of Mormon leaders slamming Christians HERE and HERE.

THIRD: THE MORMON CHURCH ITSELF REJECTS CHRISTIANITY

Beginning with Joseph Smith, Mormon prophets have steadfastly proclaimed all Christian denominations were in a state of apostasy.

This raises an interesting question. A heretic is someone who rejects one or more doctrines of religion, but an apostate is someone who has rejected the religion entirely. How is it, exactly, that you can be something you have completely dismissed? How does that work?

[ejonesie22]

Like all things LDS it was driven by marketing. The Christian brand name is powerful especially overseas...

[reaganaut]

Excellent post.

[RnMomof7]

Sorry to deflate your ego, but Mormons are Christians. Stating that everybody who doesn’t believe like you is a heathenistic pagan doesn’t make it so. You and your type have been trying to hijack the word “Christian” and you’re failing.

Men do not have the right to define God, He defines himself. The Mormon god is not the God of the bible. This is not because we say it is true, but because God says it is true

[urroner]

So, what you are saying is, even if I call myself a Christian, that doesn’t make it so. Those that same logic apply to you. Just because you call yourself a Christian, does that make it so?

And, just because you insist that I’m not a Christian, does that make it so?

[metmom]

A lot of people call themselves Christians sometimes for no more reason than they're not Jewish or muslim or atheist. Sadly, because the term is being so misapplied, calling someone a *Christian* is almost meaningless.

The Bible really defines what the term Christian should mean. It was used to describe believers in the very early church, the ones who believed and put their faith in the Jesus that lived at that time, the Jesus as presented in the Gospels and New Testament.

Acts 11:25-26

25Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

Anyone who wished to believe in a different Jesus than the one the Bible teaches, cannot technically be correctly labeled as a *Christian* in the Biblical sense of the word.

[reaganaut]

What determines if you are a Christian or not is not my ‘say so’, it is what the New Testament says a Christian is and WHAT you believe about Christ. If you beleive in a Christ that is not the Christ of the New Testament, if you follow a different Christ than the one in the Bible, you are not a Christian.

The LDS follow a different Christ. Christians have the right and the duty to examine the beliefs/doctrines of anyone claiming to be Christian to see if their beliefs align with what the Bible clearly states.

LDS doctrines do not measure up. There doctrines are completely heretical and anti-Biblical, that makes them not Christians.

I am a Christian because I place my faith in the Grace of Christ alone, the Christ of the Bible. The LDS follow a different Christ than traditional Christians do. Even Hinkley admitted that.

[urroner]

Nominal Christian, hmmm, do you want the secular definition or the radical Christian definition?

And I think you missed my point deliberately also. You call yourself a Christian also, but just because you call yourself one, why should I accept it as being the truth. You, in your great humility and righteousness, have reserved yourself and others like you the right to determine who is and who isn’t Christian.

Mighty Christian of you to judge me and find me so wanton.

[urroner]

Hmmm, you are accusing me of trying to define what God is. I find that rather disingenuous. How much do you know about the history of the Nicean Creed?

[urroner]

Have you ever heard of the logical fallacy known as “appeal to tradition? From the every wise and always truthfull Wikipedia:

Appeal to tradition, also known as proof from tradition, appeal to common practice, argumentum ad antiquitatem, false induction, or the “is/ought” fallacy, is a common logical fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of “this is right because we’ve always done it this way.”

An appeal to tradition essentially makes two assumptions:

* The old way of thinking was proven correct when introduced. In actuality this may be false — the tradition might be entirely based on incorrect grounds.
* The past justifications for the tradition are still valid at present. In cases where circumstances have changed, this assumption may be false.

The opposite of an appeal to tradition is an appeal to novelty, claiming something is good because it is new.

[Revelation 911]

news flash - traditional Christians are Trinitarian, Cross Atoning, Monotheists....Mormons are nothing of the sort - doesnt quack, doesnt walk

[urroner]

Interesting post!!! So full of detail and a fiery defense of Traditional Christianity. Your grasp of the obvious is truly astounding. Rev 911, please tell me something I haven’t heard over and over again.

I posted earlier about the logical fallacy of “Appeal to Tradition,” but it seems to me that you just scoffed at it and simply dismissed it out-of-hand without feeling any need to explain why. Why would you do that?

[svcw]

My question: If you would tell me why after all these decades it is now so important that lds be referred to as Christian.

Your response: Is it important that people think of you as a Christian if you are one?

I don't understand what point you are trying to make to my question.