[Cronos]

It's hardly individual -- as I pointed out in the links, even the 1st and 2nd century Christians held Mary in high esteem as filled with Grace, a creature made exceptionally (but still a creature) -- right down to the tradition about Anne and Joachim which stretches back to those times.

1500 or 2000 years later, you seek to contradict those who heard the apostles?

[Ken4TA]

It's hardly individual -- as I pointed out in the links, even the 1st and 2nd century Christians held Mary in high esteem as filled with Grace, a creature made exceptionally (but still a creature) -- right down to the tradition about Anne and Joachim which stretches back to those times.

Prove it was not "individuals" who wrote what they did that you rely upon.

Prove that Mary was held in "high esteem" (I agree that she was 'full' of grace) and elevated to the extent one sees among devotees today.

Substantiate your (and your churches) claim that the "tradition" about Anne and Joachim were factual, and not simply stories put forth by later writers.

1500 or 2000 years later, you seek to contradict those who heard the apostles?

Not at all! It's just that your churches claim of "Tradition" has no basis in fact. Quote any writer who personally knew an Apostle and mentioned or wrote something that they taught that was not included in the Scriptures. I anxiously await your response on this!

BTW, are you indicating that your church may be only 1500 years old? Ya know, I may just agree that that is much more closer to the actual truth.