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To: Cronos; Marysecretary
Actually, if you read what the apparitions supposedly say, none of them are against God. They are always pointing to Jesus Christ, our Lord, savior and God, the Son of God and born of mary

Just for giggles, and for the edification of other readers, here is the text of the three prophecies of Fatima:

The first secret was a vision of Hell:

Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in a huge fire, without weight or equilibrium, and amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repulsive likeness to frightful and unknown animals, all black and transparent. This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, who had already prepared us by promising, in the first Apparition, to take us to heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.[5]

The second half requests that Russia be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart:

You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light*, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.[6]

The text of the Third Secret was published on 26 June 2000:

The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fátima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: 'Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Wikipedia: "Three Secrets of Fatima" (as Src)

Further reading from the Vatican.

It seems the promises within these prophecies point to "triumphant Mary," and not toward God at all. In fact, it is this stunning departure from The Prophecy which causes it to be questionable (to be kind).

426 posted on 03/16/2010 9:51:16 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1

Yep. I pray fervently that God opens the eyes of our dear Catholic friends who have been taken in by this deception.


427 posted on 03/16/2010 10:06:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: roamer_1; Marysecretary

“I write in obedience to you, my God”, “Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God” —> directed to God


433 posted on 03/16/2010 10:58:10 PM PDT by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: roamer_1; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart.

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That's one of the main seductive DECEPTIONS FROM HELL, involved with Fatima, right there.

As Alamo-Girl says so well and persistently:

To God be the glory, not man, never man!

NEVER MAN, INDEED.

EVERY BIBLICAL EXAMPLE of any devotion directed to any object or personage but God, is fiercely proscribed, CONDEMNED, or firmly, sternly instructed away (as in the case of mortals bowing, falling prostrate to angels).

God does not and never has treated such things lightly.

Man may construe 'DEVOTION,' 'ADORATION,' 'VENERATION' and the like as wonderful weasel words side-stepping WORSHIP . . . but God does not.

FOCUS DUE CHRIST JESUS, FATHER, SON

IN GOD'S WORD's DECLARATIONS, ALL SUCH FOCUS MUST ALWAYS BE DIRECTED TO GOD ALONE--NEVER MAN.

Roman Catholics et al have been sooooooooooooooooooo indoctrinated, so brain-washed, sooooooooooooooooooo CONDITIONED [akin to the frog in the warming bucket] to have warm fuzzy FEELINGS about ALL THE MARIAN STUFF that their logic circuits seem to be more or less by-passed by anything with a white hanky associated with it.

GOD IS NOT AMUSED.

It is CONCEIVABLE, to me, that God in His graciousness, MIGHT, on occasion, overlook mild attention to Mary by folks who don't think too critically and are immature in their attractions to God.

However, on the whole, this whole sphere is a deadly serious issue of idolatry and blasphemy, pure and simple.

WHITE-WASHING the procribed focus with weasel words, rationalizations, self-justifications and the like will NOT cut any credibility nor absolution with God, at all.

HE KNOWS the focus and intents of the human heart to the nth degree. And HE HAS made ABUNDANTLY CLEAR what and WHO such focus is to be ALL ABOUT.

HE HAS DECLARED THAT Believers who fail to 'hate' father, mother, sons, daughters, siblings compared to their DEVOTION TO GOD ALONE

ARE NOT FIT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

How much plainer could HE make it?

451 posted on 03/17/2010 4:42:43 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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