Posted on 03/13/2010 4:21:42 PM PST by Colofornian
I don’t think Joseph Smith shot his brother, but in the ‘fog of war’ anything is possible. If a cop unintentionally kills his partner in a gunfight, it doesn’t make him a copkiller
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By the same token, it doesnt make thw dead man a martyr either...
and it wasnt a “war”
It was just a couple of criminals in jail for breaking the law...
The criminals had booze and guns in jail with them...
“How do you feel about the 3,000 that were murdered on 9/11 ???
How do you feel about the 50 million aborted babies ???”
Pissed.
When people are shooting at you, and you shoot back and kill one or more, that isn’t murder. It’s generally seen as justifiable homicide in a court of law.
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That’s how I see it too..
If Joey Smith had not had guns in jail with him...
and if he not murdered those 2 men, he probably would not have got shot by those men shooting back to defend themseves...
The deaths of Joey Smith and Hyrum Smith was just that...
justifiable homicide
BTW Joey Smith was all liquered up...
They had been drinking ...
Joey Smith might have been shooting wildly all over the room...
Easy to shoot your own brother when you have a snoot full...
What exactly did Joseph Smith do for the salvation of men? Off the top of my head, I can think of several things:
1. Joseph Smith translated, by the gift and power of God, the ancient record known as the Book of Mormon.
2. Acting under the direction Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith organized the Church of Jesus Christ.
3. Joseph Smith received additional revelations and commandments from Jesus Christ pertaining to important topics such as the plan of salvation.
4. Joseph Smith received the power from God to seal on earth and in heaven.
I could go on, but those accomplishments are enough to establish the importance of Joseph Smith's work.
That’s how I see it too..
“If Joey Smith had not had guns in jail with him...
and if he not murdered those 2 men, he probably would not have got shot by those men shooting back to defend themseves...
The deaths of Joey Smith and Hyrum Smith was just that...
justifiable homicide”
You are really nuts.
Which was founded some 10 years after his death.
Liars, reprobates, flim flam men, con men, blasphemers.........are not martyrs for God. There are people shot in a gun battle just like any other thug.
I am not the poster of the thread but I will tell you those two thugs got what they deserved.
“I am not the poster of the thread but I will tell you those two thugs got what they deserved.”
Really? If they were truly criminals, then I should think that what they deserved was a trial by jury in a court of law based on the charges against them, not execution by a mob. You think killing by a mob is what they deserved, not a trial by jury?
Ah, wait for it......Smith died 1844 Republican Party years later.
Jumping the gun here yefrageturabrumuy.
Brilliant point, if it had not been a gun battle in a jail. Where did Smith get the guns? It is murder if you are in jail and shoot someone (or several and they die).
Do you even know what Salvation means?
Most people get a blank expression on their face if you refer to the Whigs. In this case “those who were not Democrats” sounds forced. But the principle is still sound, some political protection from the Democrat governor, at a very chaotic time.
It all depends on how it really went down. It just seems doubtful to me that Smith would have fired until he was fired upon. If I’m outnumbered like they were, I’m hoping law enforcement will intervene, so I’m not going to fire except as a last resort, i.e. shots are already being fired in my direction. Liquor could impair judgment of course, I’d be curious to know of any evidence that any of the jailed men were intoxicated.
Joe Smith was a con man, an arrestee,a fake profit (and false prophet); a chump extraordinairre.
He brought his own brother into harm's way and his brother Hyrum was killed.
Coward Joe tried to escape, was rightfully shot, and fell out a window.
Case closed.
(except Joe still needs to be charged for smugling a gun into a jail).
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 135:3
Strange...
This is not QUITE the way that It's been told before:
"I have more to boast about than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I."— Joseph Smith
I guess WE* had to RE-translate what JS said - similar to JS' RE-translation of the KJV Bible.
D&C 135:1 To seal the testimony of this book and the Book of Mormon, we announce the amartyrdom of Joseph Smith the Prophet, and Hyrum Smith the Patriarch.
SO... just WHO are the WE that wrote 135?
To seal the testimony of this book and the Book of Mormon, we announce the martyrdom of Joseph Smith the Prophet, and Hyrum Smith the Patriarch. They were shot in Carthage jail, on the 27th of June, 1844, about five o’clock p.m., by an armed mob—painted black—of from 150 to 200 persons. Hyrum was shot first and fell calmly, exclaiming: I am a dead man! Joseph leaped from the window, and was shot dead in the attempt, exclaiming: O Lord my God! They were both shot after they were dead, in a brutal manner, and both received four balls.
Marsh used a list of 89 men compiled by Sheriff Jacob Backenstos and a variety of other records to paint a picture of who these mobsters were.
barely?
I would think that 50% is a bit more than BARELY!!
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