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To: ADSUM; fish hawk
"If you loved God as much as he loved you wouldn’t you want to do everything possible to show your love?

I hope that you see the Catholic Church as the pathway to God. Perhaps, there are others, but this is the one that Jesus established for us."

Sorry, I see only error and tragedy in the Catholic Church. I see the Roman Catholic Church has saddled many, many folks with a burden that they cannot carry: The implication that something, anything can be done to secure their own salvation in some kind of association with Rome. Do this, say that, genuflect, take this wafer, drink this cup, etc. All for naught, my FRiend. All is death and destruction...unless Christ Himself rescues you. That is not found in an organization, or a sacerdotal group, a sacrament, a ceremony, an attendance, an amulet, a bone, a building or anywhere or anything.

It is only when He finds you and chooses you. And according to the letter to the Ephesians, this has all happened before the foundation of the earth and the rebellion of Rome is that they don't like this truth.

61 posted on 03/13/2010 3:35:31 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
"Do this, say that, genuflect, take this wafer, drink this cup, etc. All for naught...."

It seems like some may be confusing the ritual for the relationship. And one can have both - but where the ritual can be comfy, (and who doesn't find comfort in the stability of some type of ritual), only the relationship is the real key.
Ritual without the relationship is temporal - a human without his Saviour is lost.

70 posted on 03/13/2010 4:01:33 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Dutchboy88

It is only when He finds you and chooses you.

So you have no responsibility to learn and understand the teachings of Jesus and live according to God’s laws.

I am not sure why you are so negative towards the Catholic Church. It is Christ who, through the Holy Spirit, makes His Church one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, and it is He who calls her to realize each of these qualities.

(Jesus said) “there shall be one flock, one shepherd. The Church is holy, we mean among other things that she had the all-holy God as her author. One true Church is that this Church is Catholic. Catholic means “universal.” It refers as much to the fullness of the faith she possesses as to the undeniable extension in both time and space that has characterized her virtually from the beginning. Christ founded the Church upon the apostles.

Catholic Christians believe that God loves us, each of us personally. God’s love for us and our response to His love unites us. As with all important understanding of how persons relate to their surroundings, believers pass on to those who follow the guideposts which mark the path of belief.

God wanted all his beloved ones to have the opportunity to repent and he confirmed this desire by his own almighty will. That is why we should obey his sovereign and glorious will and prayerfully entreat his mercy and kindness. We should be suppliant before him and turn to his compassion, rejecting empty works and quarrelling and jealousy which only lead to death.

We should be humble in mind, putting aside all arrogance, pride and foolish anger. Rather, we should act in accordance with the Scriptures, as the Holy Spirit says: The wise man must not glory in his wisdom nor the strong man in his strength nor the rich man in his riches. Rather, let him who glories glory in the Lord by seeking him and doing what is right and just. Recall especially what the Lord Jesus said when he taught gentleness and forbearance. Be merciful, he said, so that you may have mercy shown to you. Forgive, so that you may be forgiven. As you treat others, so you will be treated. As you give, so you will receive. As you judge, so you will be judged. As you are kind to others, so you will be treated kindly. The measure of your giving will be the measure of your receiving.

Take care. I am sure that God loves you, and I hope that you find God and love Him. I hope that you find God’s love in understanding the Catholic Church.


149 posted on 03/14/2010 6:54:31 AM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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