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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; Belteshazzar
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Tim 3:16

you do, of course, realise that the "scripture" St. Paul was referring to was the Septuagint? The Old Jewish writings which included deutrocanonical text as this was pre-Jamnia.

The Gospel of John was not written yet, as were possibly Luke and Matthew. Revelation wasn't written yet, and the other letters weren't either.

The NT wasn't put together yet, so the scripture Paul is referring to is the old Jewish texts and more importantly, the canon of teachings as taught by and handed down by the Apostles (see St. Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Alexandria and Augustine's writings on this)
118 posted on 03/13/2010 8:37:17 PM PST by Cronos (Philipp2:12, 2Cor5:10, Rom2:6, Matt7:21, Matt22:14, Lu12:42-46,John15:1-10,Rev2:4-5,Rev22:19)
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To: Cronos

Cronos wrote:

“you do, of course, realise that the “scripture” St. Paul was referring to was the Septuagint?”

Did Paul tell you that? I do not find that in the text of 2 Timothy. Was Paul unable to read Hebrew? Did the Hebrew Scriptures not already exist in the temple archive, thus adjudged already as the word of God, as any decently careful reading, for example, of 1 and 2 Maccabees will bear out clearly? Did the Greek translation of Aquila not also exist? And did not also others? You make assumptions that are, at the very best, doubtful.

As to whether the statement of 2 Timothy 3:16 excludes entirely any already existent NT is a matter requiring considerably more effort than you have made. It is, in fact, very likely that it does not exclude such, and even if it did would not preclude the soon to be added books from inclusion in the same doctrinal application. And as to the oft plainted old saw that the Catholic church determined what was Scripture and what was not, well, that which God gave the apostles and before them the prophets by divine inspiration was Holy Scripture from the moment it was written, whether the Catholic church recognized it to be or not. The determiner here is God. The poor, johnny-come-lately, slow-on-the-uptake realizer is man.


121 posted on 03/13/2010 9:00:21 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: Cronos

Not at all my friend... It was true that the Septuagint was around but the Jews - Paul, John Peter etc... read the Hebrew... it was to them an abomination to read the O.T. scriptures in a foreign tongue... Jesus went into the synagogues and read from the scrolls of Isaiah etc...What was common practice etc..

One thing that always blew me away after I got saved was how the Catholic church make Paul, Peter John and Jesus all Italian looking when they were all staunched Jews who had a very hard time dealing with gentiles who got saved and with letting go of the Law and it’s practices etc…Acts, Galatians etc..

Nice try my friend... The Catholic church really didn’t come in to play until around 300 AD or so.. Stop trying to take all the credit.. and indulging

What is most funny is that the Catholic Church for centuries denied the Scriptures to it’s people and murdered countless individuals who had the position of them especially in their own language… they kept them ignorant of scriptures which made them ignorant of Christ.
No offence… just getting our backs

I.F.


149 posted on 03/14/2010 7:15:06 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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