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Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
Times ^ | 3/10/10 | Richard Owen

Posted on 03/10/2010 10:17:50 AM PST by Wontsubmit

Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy See's chief exorcist.

Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon".

He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia."

He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot".

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; devil; exorcism; satan; spiritualwarfare; vatican
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To: Vaquero
You were saying ...

Sorry Father....but your a little off with your sense of direction....the devil is

HERE

Ummmm..., sorry, Satan is smarter than that... LOL ...

You're just talking about one of Satan's third-rate underlings... :-)

21 posted on 03/10/2010 10:47:41 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Friendofgeorge
The idea that the Pope himself does not come out and say that he is just a man

As opposed to what?

and this business that the Pope is infallible

Do you even know what that means? It doesn't mean he doesn't sin, or that he does everything perfectly, or anything like that.

All it means is that he won't definitively teach heresy to the entire church.

22 posted on 03/10/2010 10:48:01 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Wontsubmit

Read a few of the comments after the story. Very revealing about the state of religion in UK. It amazes me how many people have been duped into believing that the devil does not exists. May God have mercy on them.


23 posted on 03/10/2010 10:48:33 AM PST by HOYA97 (Hoya Saxa = What Rocks)
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To: RedDogzRule; Quix

I had a close friend who was a Catholic Exorcist. He told me stories I cannot, nor will not repeat here.

He died in despair and horror. I pray daily that God, in His mercy healed his tortured soul.


24 posted on 03/10/2010 10:50:31 AM PST by shibumi ("..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: Campion

Been a while since I was Catholic, but infallability only applies when he speaks ‘ex Cathedra’ (from the Chair).

Seem to remember that being the case.


25 posted on 03/10/2010 10:51:29 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Maverick68

I’ve often wondered if the 3rd secret of Fatima was the implosion of Catholic leadership or satanic takeover of the Vatican.


26 posted on 03/10/2010 10:52:01 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Vaquero

Wait....the Obama staff currently and frequently refer to Obama as the “Black Jesus”....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2468048/posts


27 posted on 03/10/2010 10:54:11 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Wontsubmit
He is well at work in the WhiteBLACKhouse.
28 posted on 03/10/2010 10:54:26 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists".)
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To: shibumi

There’s a book called ‘Hostage to the Devil’ by Fr. Malachi Martin which depicts in detail the sacrifice of exocists - of the toll they take.

The book actually ends with the death of an exorcist, and it makes the first horrible incidents worth reading through, because of the relief brought by death and the perspective gained by the various ‘holes’ through which demonic possession may occur.

The Catholic Church deserves so much credit for actually taking Satan seriously, and for calling out the reality of the fact that we were born into a war between Heaven and Hell.


29 posted on 03/10/2010 10:58:10 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: sabe@q.com
how can you have a catholic bishop who doesn’t believe in Jesus?

"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops."
  -Athanasius of Alexandria (c. 293 – 2 May 373)

30 posted on 03/10/2010 10:58:43 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: Wontsubmit

I’m sure God knows and has it all under control.


31 posted on 03/10/2010 10:58:57 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: COBOL2Java

kinda scary and where is the oversite?


32 posted on 03/10/2010 11:00:10 AM PST by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Friendofgeorge

The Pope is only considered infallible when he speaks ex-post cathedra.


33 posted on 03/10/2010 11:02:47 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Wontsubmit

Anti-Catholic bigot! Catholic hater!

Oh...wait...

Never mind.


34 posted on 03/10/2010 11:04:32 AM PST by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: shibumi

Yes, my understanding is that the exorcists are sort of trapped between a modern world that denies demons exists and scoffs at such “medieval notions” as possession, and what they experience when treating people. Even the Catholic Church pretty much hides exorcists and exorcism from public view. I understand that what those poor priests experience brings many to the brink of insanity and spiritual isolation. I just pray that God grants them an extra portion of grace for standing up to what the rest of the world shrinks in horror from.


35 posted on 03/10/2010 11:07:16 AM PST by RedDogzRule
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To: Wontsubmit
I found this quote interesting.

He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although "exaggerated" offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.

It goes along with my opinion that The Exorcist is one of the very last movies made where Catholic Priests are depicted as real people, and heroes. As hard as the movie is to watch, and as much baggage as it carries, it's actually a very well made movie and the priests are portrayed very well.... as honest-to-God MEN, not as nursery school psychologists, which is what today's priests are portrayed as in film.... if they're lucky.

36 posted on 03/10/2010 11:14:10 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: COBOL2Java
"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." -Athanasius of Alexandria (c. 293 – 2 May 373) "

I'm tempted to swipe that for a tagline but I really don't want to offend any of our Catholic friends. Considering the date of it, I'm actually trying to figure out a paraphrase that works a bit better for our times.

The Devil knows scripture better than most of us, you know. I'm not sure but I think I met him in Sunday School a couple of years ago. He's well-dressed too.

37 posted on 03/10/2010 11:27:43 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Wontsubmit
" He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot". "

Gee... I wonder what could have happened there?

38 posted on 03/10/2010 11:36:08 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Wontsubmit
Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican

Then what the h e double toothpicks is the name of the demon in the WH?

39 posted on 03/10/2010 12:22:25 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: shibumi

So it would seem.


40 posted on 03/10/2010 12:29:40 PM PST by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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