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To: ShadowAce

If God knows everything, then He knows before a person is born whether it’s heaven or hell.

I don’t know how to get around that fact and still believe that God knows everything.

The only way I know to get away from it is to suggest that God does not know everything.

If we go there, then throw out everything you know about God and about our future. It would mean that everything is up in the air, and God “thinks” it’ll work out all right, but He doesn’t “know” it.


162 posted on 03/02/2010 5:25:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
If God knows everything, then He knows before a person is born whether it’s heaven or hell.

Agreed. God is omniscient.

I don’t know how to get around that fact and still believe that God knows everything.

Knowing something and causing something are two different things. A limited god can only cause things to happen--a truly sovereign God knows what will happen--without being a cause--and the outcome is still what He wants.

God is sovereign in a universe full of independent free will. Doesn't that just make your skin tingle? The fact that He doesn't have to force everything in order to get what He wants? He's better than that.

The point is--we make the decision. We have full freedom to do so. Otherwise, the defense at the Judgement would be that we didn't have a chance. Since God is perfect Justice, that argument will not be allowed to stand (and it would be valid). As a result, He must allow us that free decision.

How does He do that--Titus says that the grace that brings salvation has appeared to all men. That allows us the freedom to make the choice.

The calvinist idea of God's glory is incorrect (Just who is He gonna show His glory to, if we're just objects of it?). If all God wanted was glory, He wouldn't have saved Noah and his family. He would have just started all over again with no one able to resist Him--thus "showing" Lucifer how powerful He is.

Instead, God decided to redeem us. Even with the evil in men's hearts, He still loved us enough to save His creation. This is all about His love for us--not about how powerful He is. He showed His power with Noah. Now He's showing us His love.

Love is not creating beings with no chance to be saved. Love is offering that chance and letting us make that decision.

163 posted on 03/02/2010 6:10:41 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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