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To: vladimir998
No, actually it always meant the Catholic Church and just the Catholic Church.

I'm sure I don't need to give YOU a history lesson, but the word "catholic" is derived from a Greek word meaning universal. Ignatius of Antioch's (around 106 AD) letter to the Christians at Smyrna is the first known use of the term and, oddly, there was NO (capital C) Catholic Church then. He actually meant all the true members of the body of Christ. Go figure!!!

157 posted on 02/27/2010 6:37:33 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums

You wrote:

“I’m sure I don’t need to give YOU a history lesson,...”

Nope, but I’ll help you with one in a minute.

“...but the word “catholic” is derived from a Greek word meaning universal. Ignatius of Antioch’s (around 106 AD) letter to the Christians at Smyrna is the first known use of the term and, oddly, there was NO (capital C) Catholic Church then.”

Here’s the lesson: even many Protestants put the phrase in caps. Cyril Richardson did so, for instance. Now, of course, Protestants can just try to have it both ways: “Oh, it doesn’t mean what we would take it to mean, but we’ll put it in caps to show it is sort of a proper noun without actually referring to a definite, visible body” blah, blah, blah. The simple fact is there was only one universal Church - the Catholic Church. That there is still only one universal Church - the Catholic Church. My Church. Not your puny, johnny-come-lately sect.

“He actually meant all the true members of the body of Christ. Go figure!!!”

And they were all Catholics - like me and my fellow Catholics and didn’t include a single Protestant in the group and it still doesn’t. Go figure.


167 posted on 02/27/2010 8:09:05 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: boatbums
Ignatius of Antioch's (around 106 AD) letter to the Christians at Smyrna is the first known use of the term and, oddly, there was NO (capital C) Catholic Church then. He actually meant all the true members of the body of Christ

Just read it first, and then tell us how it means to include Protestant heretics or any such.

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

You wil find in the Chapter named "Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop". Duh.

189 posted on 02/28/2010 12:29:57 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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