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To: Persevero
Most of your post is simply stating that you interpret the scripture differently than the Church does, or as in Christ being the only begotten Son of God, you say nothing the Church does not teach. The question was, where does the Church contradict the scripture? That is may contradict an individual interpretation of it is a given.

pick up extra grace from other sinners

Whjere is that Catholic doctrine? The verse I showed you says that once a saint has been justified, there is enough grace to go aroud for sinners. That is the doctrine of the treasure of merits, which you thought was unscriptural.

Abraham for example went to heaven

He went to the Limbo of the fathers, but not to Heaven. Heaven was opened by Christ with His sacrifice of the Cross. That, too, enabled prayers to the saints.

2 Cor 3:18 says that we are to behold the Holy Images so that we may be transformed by them. Gal 3:1 indicates that the Galatians were looking at the crucifix, since Christ in person was not crucified in front of they very eyes in Galatia.

116 posted on 02/25/2010 10:28:20 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

“pick up extra grace from other sinners”

It is my understanding that the reason Roman Catholics pray to various saints is that those saints have, by their many good works, stored up extra grace that they can dispense to those in need of it who ask them.

“He went to the Limbo of the fathers,”

I don’t know where the doctrine of Limbo comes from, either, I don’t see it in the Bible.

As for Abraham not being in heaven, in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, we are told that Lazarus goes to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man goes to Hades. The contrast there is between heaven and hell. Lazarus is carried by angels to Abraham’s bosom, and it says Lazarus is comforted and the rich man is tormented. It says Lazarus is receiving good things.

The rich man can’t be purgatory, because Abraham in the parable says no one passes from one place to the other. So the rich man, from what is called his torment, can’t pass that great gulf and get to Abraham’s bosom.

All to say Abraham is in heaven at that point, not in “limbo” and Jesus had not yet raised from the dead at this point in time.

“2 Cor 3:18 says that we are to behold the Holy Images so that we may be transformed by them. Gal 3:1 indicates that the Galatians were looking at the crucifix, since Christ in person was not crucified in front of they very eyes in Galatia.”

2 Cor 3:18 certainly does not instruct us to behold Holy Images.

Christ was indeed not crucified in Galatia; Paul “preached Christ and Him crucified.” There is no record of him using icons, statues, pictures, or images of any kind in his preaching. That wouldn’t have lasted one minute in a synagogue anyway! That’s where they did most of their preaching, and you didn’t dare bring an image of any kind into a synagogue.


119 posted on 02/25/2010 10:44:53 PM PST by Persevero (Satan tries to separate what God puts together and join together what God separates.)
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