Posted on 02/21/2010 6:38:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind
you’re right and that’s probably the only way she can “out” him. her conscience must be very heavy
And I wouldn't want to try and make up there rules here either. No one will or can ever convince me GOD's hand wasn't in our second marriage. I was free to remarry due to the death of my first wife. My second wife's husband left her, had beaten and cheated on her. He ended the marriage when he took another woman or I should say kid.
Our marriage came after a lot of prayer and a lot of counseling from her preacher {of a conservative church}, his wife, who knew her circunmstance and mine, and believe it or not even a Nun who watched over her in a protected hospital room for three months. What a wedding LOL. A Baptist minister in a hospital chapel. Among the guest? Several Nuns and a Priest as well. If not for the Nuns the marriage may not have happened at all but that is another long story too much to go into. This was in a Catholic ran hospital BTW.
I'll say this much. The odds of our marriage surviving beyond the first year was real slim. There were many things to overcome most newlyweds do not face. You see her first husband was part of the reason she ended up being a quad for life. That happened to her while we were on a date. We married after that. That was almost 25 years ago. Her ex? he's on marriage 5 I think treating all he married the same.
We made what was the best possibe and realistic choice which was marriage out of love for each other and a couple of others who's lives namely two kids she was raising. No marriage? Two young kids in foster care and a young woman in a nursing home for life. Not to mention a second loss for a young man of one he loved dearly. With marriage? A lonely young man got a wife who is his soul mate, two kids got to stay with their mom, a nursing home was not ever considered an option nor will it be, and a lot of blessing came from it all.
Was it sin for us to marry each other? I don't believe it was. If it was it is not an unforgivable one by any means and the marriage has produced lots of good for all it touched including a lot of spiritual growth and GOD dependence.
I'm not not a Solomon I am a forgiven sinner by the Grace of GOD. I make mistakes. Sometimes in this old world things are indeed not as cut and dry as church dogma's would like one to think they are as far as right answers go. In becoming overzealous over certain specific sins more than others the church unwittingly places a burden upon the people that can not possibly be lived under.
Ever stop and wonder about how well GOD knows our future and our needs? I became my wifes caregiver for life. But there is more. 16 years ago she as well became mine when my disability hit me. I have the legs and arm strength to do the manual task including getting her up out of bed. My disability is not one of physical stength or lack there of but rather one where I have trouble with my sensory processing system involving the processing of sound and sight is damaged. This greatly effects concentration as well. We depend on each other to get through the needed task of life and both depend upon GOD to give us strength to do so.
What a great post! May God Bless you, your Wife and the Kids.
Thanks. The kids are grown. There’s grandkids now :>}
***I thought it was ok since Protestants are ok with divorce.***
If the Hinns were Roman Catholic they could have just got an annulment.
The Bible says that a Bishop (church pastor) must be the husband of one wife.
1 TIM 3:2-7
2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4: One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5: (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6: Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7: Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Having a wife is a specific requirement to be a Church Pastor (A Bishop). The moment he becomes single he is no longer qualified and thus must step down as Pastor.
Now there are people like Charles Stanley who remain pastor of a Church even though his wife divorced him. This was done by Church by-law or a vote but the Bible is very clear on pastoral qualifications.
The verses above even place a requirement that the Pastor’s children be in subjection to him which means that if he even has unruly children he is disqualified from being a Pastor.
Benny Hinn fails the above tests on multiple levels. Benny likes money, he is not blameless (above reproach because of his lifestyle). And he does not rule his house well since his wife filing for divorce is clearly rebellion. And if Benny committed adultery and thus caused his wife to file for divorce, then he is not blameless and thus is still disqualified.
Here is my response to a previous post...
The Bible says that a Bishop (church pastor) must be the husband of one wife.
1 TIM 3:2-7
2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4: One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5: (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6: Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7: Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Having a wife is a specific requirement to be a Church Pastor (A Bishop). The moment he becomes single he is no longer qualified and thus must step down as Pastor.
Now there are people like Charles Stanley who remain pastor of a Church even though his wife divorced him. This was done by Church by-law or a vote but the Bible is very clear on pastoral qualifications.
The verses above even place a requirement that the Pastor’s children be in subjection to him which means that if he even has unruly children he is disqualified from being a Pastor.
Benny Hinn fails the above tests on multiple levels. Benny likes money, he is not blameless (above reproach because of his lifestyle). And he does not rule his house well since his wife filing for divorce is clearly rebellion. And if Benny committed adultery and thus caused his wife to file for divorce, then he is not blameless and thus is still disqualified.
No problem and thanks for being polite. Here is my response to a previous post quoting the relevant passage...
The Bible says that a Bishop (church pastor) must be the husband of one wife.
1 TIM 3:2-7
2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4: One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5: (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6: Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7: Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Having a wife is a specific requirement to be a Church Pastor (A Bishop). The moment he becomes single he is no longer qualified and thus must step down as Pastor.
Now there are people like Charles Stanley who remain pastor of a Church even though his wife divorced him. This was done by Church by-law or a vote but the Bible is very clear on pastoral qualifications.
The verses above even place a requirement that the Pastor’s children be in subjection to him which means that if he even has unruly children he is disqualified from being a Pastor.
Benny Hinn fails the above tests on multiple levels. Benny likes money, he is not blameless (above reproach because of his lifestyle). And he does not rule his house well since his wife filing for divorce is clearly rebellion. And if Benny committed adultery and thus caused his wife to file for divorce, then he is not blameless and thus is still disqualified.
Let me know what you think.
I do agree with you that he has perverted scripture on multiple levels. Here is a snippet of the relevant scripture etc. let me know what you think..
regards,
The Bible says that a Bishop (church pastor) must be the husband of one wife.
1 TIM 3:2-7
2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4: One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5: (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6: Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7: Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Having a wife is a specific requirement to be a Church Pastor (A Bishop). The moment he becomes single he is no longer qualified and thus must step down as Pastor.
Now there are people like Charles Stanley who remain pastor of a Church even though his wife divorced him. This was done by Church by-law or a vote but the Bible is very clear on pastoral qualifications.
The verses above even place a requirement that the Pastor’s children be in subjection to him which means that if he even has unruly children he is disqualified from being a Pastor.
Benny Hinn fails the above tests on multiple levels. Benny likes money, he is not blameless (above reproach because of his lifestyle). And he does not rule his house well since his wife filing for divorce is clearly rebellion. And if Benny committed adultery and thus caused his wife to file for divorce, then he is not blameless and thus is still disqualified.
Opinion noted. And discarded...
I also know someone who was ordained but not the Sr. Pastor that had his wife leave him. Everything was tried to reconcile but wife did not want to lead the life of a pastor's wife. I remember him saying that he would not remarry because he was called to be a pastor and the one wife Scripture was used specifically by him.
I couldn’t believe it when I first saw that video.....That was not the moving of The Holy Ghost.....I used to watch Copeland when I first came to Christ.....I agree, it was pure mockery of The Gospel by satanic influence.....I would have left, and have done so before......Such a demonic presense in The Church today.....
If the Hinns were Roman Catholic they could have just got an annulment
wow, you know nothing about the Catholic Church nor annulment.....you must prove to the church that there is evidence that the first marriage was not valid. Did you discover that your wife, through adoption, was really your sister or first cousin (it’s happened), did your new wife/husband declare that they were not open to having children?, did you discover, after marriage that your husband was impotent...there are various and sundry reasons that a marriage was entered into invalidly, but it’s not easy to prove....you need witnesses, give testimony etc etc...you don’t just go in front of a judge who says O.K. you’re divorced!!!
For me I tend not to interpret when it come to rules specifically. I read it for strictly what it says. The exceptions being parable or prophecy which uses a lot of metaphor and allegory.
It is true that Paul did remain with a Church. He was an evangelist and was responsible for starting a Church. But he by the power of the Holy Spirit laid down the rules for permanent Church leadership.
I think the safest policy is to try and live by the rules as closely as possible that way you are safe.
The Lord is very concerned about the stability of the Church leader's home life.
If I follow this to its logical conclusion, then its OK for an adulterer to be a Pastor because its just not fair to judge people who would otherwise be a good pastor. Who are we to judge right ??
Rules mean things. And churches who ignore them do so at their own peril. The verses also do not mention that a woman cannot be a pastor either, but if I wanted to I could say that the verse does not specifically exclude women, so it must be OK for a woman to be a pastor.
Paul, setup Churches and got them started he was in the truest sense an Evangelist. And yes he did exclude himself from being a permanent Church pastor because the Holy Spirit guided him to write what he did. Paul did not make the rules God did.
God's word is divinely inspired.
That verse can be taken another way. Even In that age it wasn't uncommon for polygamy. We don't think of it today but it certainly would have been an issue to address.
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