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Is Mary Co-Redemptress of the World?
CRI ^ | 2008 | Eric D. Svendsen

Posted on 02/19/2010 5:07:29 PM PST by bogusname

Roman Catholic theology often parallels Mary the mother of Jesus with Jesus Himself in His work of redemption. For example, Jesus is born without the stain of original sin, and so is Mary. Jesus lives a sinless life; so does Mary. Jesus remains a virgin all His life; Mary is Ever-Virgin. Jesus is the Redeemer; Mary is Co-Redemptress. Jesus is the one Mediator between man and God, yet Mary, too, is Mediatrix. Jesus is bodily assumed into heaven; so is Mary. Ascribing Christological attributes such as these to Mary historically has been a source of contention between Protestants (who see no basis in Scripture for these beliefs), and Roman Catholics (who emphasize the role of “Tradition” in these matters).

Defining Terms. All of these beliefs, save two, are official Roman Catholic dogmas. The exceptions— Co-Redemptress and Mediatrix—are nevertheless hallmarks of Roman Catholic devoutness that many believe to be ripe for dogmatic definition.

These two titles, often considered as a single role for Mary, are technically distinct. Redemptress broadly involves Mary’s active decision to bring redemption to the world by agreeing to become the mother of Jesus, whereas Mediatrix has to do with Mary’s active work in continually advocating for the salvation of those who take refuge in her. The Roman Catholic teaching for both is summed up well in the document Ineffabilis Deus: “All our hope do we repose in the most Blessed Virgin—in the all fair and immaculate one who has crushed the poisonous head of the most cruel serpent and brought salvation to the world [hence, Redemptress];... in her who, with her only-begotten Son, is the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix in the whole world;...in her do we hope who has delivered us from so many threatening dangers.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; catholicwhiners; coredemptress; mariolatry; mary
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To: houeto; panzerkamphwageneinz
By the way, I concur with your assessment of panzerkamphwageneinz’ comment.

Clear, succinct and to the point.

101 posted on 02/20/2010 11:49:04 AM PST by shibumi (Health and well being for S. and L. - in Jesus name we pray!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

...and true. Thanks.


102 posted on 02/20/2010 11:54:10 AM PST by houeto (Remember in November!)
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To: shibumi; panzerkamphwageneinz
By the way, I concur with your assessment of panzerkamphwageneinz’ comment.

Yea, and good thing for cut n paste otherwise I'd never get that screenname right!

103 posted on 02/20/2010 11:56:09 AM PST by houeto (Remember in November!)
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To: bogusname

Interesting apologetic piece.

Thanks


104 posted on 02/20/2010 12:30:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: hoosierham
I think there are errors in the original post here: as a Catholic I was taught to pray to Mary and ask her to pray for us,and ask her to ask Son to for forgiveness

Fr. Reginald Garrigou‑Lagrange, O.P. discusses the office of mediator:
"The office of mediator belongs fully only to Jesus, the Man‑God, Who alone could reconcile us with God by offering Him, on behalf of men, the infinite sacrifice of the Cross, which is perpetuated in Holy Mass. He alone, as Head of mankind, could merit for us in justice the grace of salvation and apply it to those who do not reject His saving action. It is as man that He is mediator, but as a Man in Whom humanity is united hypostatically to the Word and endowed with the fullness of grace, the grace of Headship, which overflows on men. As St. Paul puts it: 'For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave Himself for a redemption for all, a testimony in due times' (I Tim. ii, 56). "But, St. Thomas adds: 'there is no reason why there should not be, after Christ, other secondary mediators between God and men, who co‑operate in uniting them in a ministerial and dispositive manner.’ Such mediators dispose men for the action of the principal Mediator, or transmit it, but always in dependence on His merits.” [1]

Actually there is a reason, God made no provision for other mediators His word. In Fact He clearly excludes another

1 Tim2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6 Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times

"St Thomas'" words were not added to the infallible scriptures they are his own personal opinion and nothing more

105 posted on 02/20/2010 12:41:47 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: bogusname

“Is Mary Co-Redemptress of the World?”

I’ve never even met a catholic that believed that garbage.


106 posted on 02/20/2010 12:43:55 PM PST by Grunthor (The biggest issue for the past year has been health care and Mitt has been nowhere!)
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To: houeto

The Church has never said that Mary is equal to Jesus, only that she was was an active participant in bringing redemption to human beings who were stained by Original Sin.

So were the soldiers that nailed him to the cross.


OHHHH DAMN!!!!!!! ONE PUNCH KNOCK OUT.


107 posted on 02/20/2010 12:47:49 PM PST by Grunthor (The biggest issue for the past year has been health care and Mitt has been nowhere!)
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To: Grunthor
"I’ve never even met a catholic that believed that garbage."

Trust me. After 16+ years of RC education, I've met LOTS of them.
108 posted on 02/20/2010 12:56:54 PM PST by shibumi (Health and well being for S. and L. - in Jesus name we pray!)
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To: Petronski
The woman with the Redeemer.

OK, so Mary is just sort of hanging out with Jesus, playing no role in Redemption, then?

109 posted on 02/20/2010 1:15:36 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Grunthor; houeto
The Church has never said that Mary is equal to Jesus, only that she was was an active participant in bringing redemption to human beings who were stained by Original Sin.?

"I stand upon the head of the serpent. My heel will crush him, but not until man and the world have been cleansed. I come as a Mediatrix of all graces, Representative through My Son in the Father” - Our Lady of the Roses, March 18, 1973

Does she dispense all graces??

"The term Mediatrix in itself could refer to either the objective redemption (the once-for-all earning a title to grace for all men), to the subjective redemption (the distribution of this grace to individual men), or to both. It is most usual to use it to refer only to subjective redemption, i.e. , the process of giving out the fruits of the objective redemption, throughout all centuries. We must consider whether or not the term Mediatrix applies to all graces or only to some. We will ask also about the nature of the mediation: is it only by way of intercession, that is, does Mary simply pray to her Son that he may give us grace, or does God also use her as an instrument in distributing grace.

...We notice that Vatican II did not add the words "of all graces." However, as many papal texts point out, Mary's role in dispensation flows logically from her role in acquiring all graces. Further, the Council itself added a note on the above passage, in which it refers us to the texts of Leo XIII, Adiutricem populi, St. Pius X, Ad diem illum, Pius XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, and Pius XII, Radiomessage to Fatima.

Leo XIII, in the text referred to, spoke of her, as we saw above, as having "practically limitless power." St. Pius X said she was the "dispensatrix of all the gifts, and is the "neck" connecting the Head of the Mystical Body to the Members. But all power flows through the neck. Pius XII said "Her kingdom is as vast as that of her Son and God, since nothing is excluded from her dominion." These and many other texts speak in varied ways of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, so often that the teaching has become infallible.

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There is not one piece of scripture indicating that God relinquished the right, or authority to send His grace and mercy to whom He will . That would make Mary a real redeemer, as one is saved by grace.. so all salvation would be up to her..

Who is it that saves men? Christ or his mother?

110 posted on 02/20/2010 3:38:41 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Who is it that saves men? Christ and no other.


111 posted on 02/20/2010 3:45:05 PM PST by Grunthor (The biggest issue for the past year has been health care and Mitt has been nowhere!)
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To: bogusname
Is Mary Co-Redemptress of the World?

No. Nothing biblical to support such a notion.

112 posted on 02/20/2010 4:25:06 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: houeto

If it hadn’t been for Mary, Jesus would not have been born as a human child in order to grow up, teach His Apostles in order for them to continue His Teachings, and be crucified, in order to make that connection between Heaven and Earth.


113 posted on 02/20/2010 4:30:39 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Cronos
2. in the M-E, cousins are also called "Brothers"

Then what are cousins called, Idaho Potatoes???

Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

So what's your excuse then for sisters??? Jesus had sisters as well....Or maybe we call them popsicles...

It's amazing the distance your religion will go to disprove the word of God to fit it's own unbiblical tradition...

114 posted on 02/20/2010 5:05:26 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: SuziQ
It was THROUGH Mary that Jesus came into the world. It was by her active part that Jesus came to redeem us. This is all the Church is saying. The Church has never said that Mary is equal to Jesus, only that she was was an active participant in bringing redemption to human beings who were stained by Original Sin.

Every time you call Mary CO-whatever, you are putting her equal with Jesus...If you don't want her to be equal to Jesus, call her something else...

Obviously 'CO' is not the American translation of the latin word 'cum' since you guys say the American translation is 'with'...

We know what CO means in English and it doesn't mean 'with'...

The Church teaches that Mary was conceived without sin, so that she would be the perfect vessel for God's Son.

That's fine for your religion but the scriptures teach something completely different...You know what that means???

God did not want a perfect, sinless vessel for His Son...God wanted Jesus to endure temptation, not be immune to it...

115 posted on 02/20/2010 5:35:03 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: SuziQ; houeto

“If it hadn’t been for Mary, Jesus would not have been born as a human child”

Boy was God lucky that time. His whole plan of salvation could have been thwarted by a little girl. However, I think He probably took all that into consideration and maybe even had a contingent plan just as He did on the triumphal entry into Jerusalem.

Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.


116 posted on 02/20/2010 5:35:51 PM PST by blue-duncan
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117 posted on 02/20/2010 5:35:51 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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To: Petronski
The proposed doctrine of Co-Redemptrix does not originate in English, but in Latin. It is in the translation from Latin to English where cum becomes co-.

No it doesn't...We already have an English word for 'cum'...It is 'with'

118 posted on 02/20/2010 5:36:24 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
We already have an English word for 'cum'...It is 'with'

And in your world, English can only have one way to translate the Latin word 'cum.'

Thankfully, I don't live in your world.

Nor, apparently, does anyone else.

119 posted on 02/20/2010 5:40:23 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
You shouldn’t flaunt your ignorance in such a public fashion.

No doubt the Apostle Paul and I are both ignorant in your eyes...

Paul warned us about you guys preaching another Gospel than what he taught...And then here comes you and Iraneus...

120 posted on 02/20/2010 5:40:40 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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