Posted on 02/19/2010 5:07:29 PM PST by bogusname
Clear, succinct and to the point.
...and true. Thanks.
Yea, and good thing for cut n paste otherwise I'd never get that screenname right!
Interesting apologetic piece.
Thanks
Fr. Reginald Garrigou‑Lagrange, O.P. discusses the office of mediator:
"The office of mediator belongs fully only to Jesus, the Man‑God, Who alone could reconcile us with God by offering Him, on behalf of men, the infinite sacrifice of the Cross, which is perpetuated in Holy Mass. He alone, as Head of mankind, could merit for us in justice the grace of salvation and apply it to those who do not reject His saving action. It is as man that He is mediator, but as a Man in Whom humanity is united hypostatically to the Word and endowed with the fullness of grace, the grace of Headship, which overflows on men. As St. Paul puts it: 'For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave Himself for a redemption for all, a testimony in due times' (I Tim. ii, 56). "But, St. Thomas adds: 'there is no reason why there should not be, after Christ, other secondary mediators between God and men, who co‑operate in uniting them in a ministerial and dispositive manner.’ Such mediators dispose men for the action of the principal Mediator, or transmit it, but always in dependence on His merits.” [1]
Actually there is a reason, God made no provision for other mediators His word. In Fact He clearly excludes another
1 Tim2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6 Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times
"St Thomas'" words were not added to the infallible scriptures they are his own personal opinion and nothing more
“Is Mary Co-Redemptress of the World?”
I’ve never even met a catholic that believed that garbage.
The Church has never said that Mary is equal to Jesus, only that she was was an active participant in bringing redemption to human beings who were stained by Original Sin.
So were the soldiers that nailed him to the cross.
OHHHH DAMN!!!!!!! ONE PUNCH KNOCK OUT.
OK, so Mary is just sort of hanging out with Jesus, playing no role in Redemption, then?
"I stand upon the head of the serpent. My heel will crush him, but not until man and the world have been cleansed. I come as a Mediatrix of all graces, Representative through My Son in the Father” - Our Lady of the Roses, March 18, 1973
Does she dispense all graces??
"The term Mediatrix in itself could refer to either the objective redemption (the once-for-all earning a title to grace for all men), to the subjective redemption (the distribution of this grace to individual men), or to both. It is most usual to use it to refer only to subjective redemption, i.e. , the process of giving out the fruits of the objective redemption, throughout all centuries. We must consider whether or not the term Mediatrix applies to all graces or only to some. We will ask also about the nature of the mediation: is it only by way of intercession, that is, does Mary simply pray to her Son that he may give us grace, or does God also use her as an instrument in distributing grace.
...We notice that Vatican II did not add the words "of all graces." However, as many papal texts point out, Mary's role in dispensation flows logically from her role in acquiring all graces. Further, the Council itself added a note on the above passage, in which it refers us to the texts of Leo XIII, Adiutricem populi, St. Pius X, Ad diem illum, Pius XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, and Pius XII, Radiomessage to Fatima.
Leo XIII, in the text referred to, spoke of her, as we saw above, as having "practically limitless power." St. Pius X said she was the "dispensatrix of all the gifts, and is the "neck" connecting the Head of the Mystical Body to the Members. But all power flows through the neck. Pius XII said "Her kingdom is as vast as that of her Son and God, since nothing is excluded from her dominion." These and many other texts speak in varied ways of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, so often that the teaching has become infallible.
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There is not one piece of scripture indicating that God relinquished the right, or authority to send His grace and mercy to whom He will . That would make Mary a real redeemer, as one is saved by grace.. so all salvation would be up to her..
Who is it that saves men? Christ or his mother?
Who is it that saves men? Christ and no other.
No. Nothing biblical to support such a notion.
If it hadn’t been for Mary, Jesus would not have been born as a human child in order to grow up, teach His Apostles in order for them to continue His Teachings, and be crucified, in order to make that connection between Heaven and Earth.
Then what are cousins called, Idaho Potatoes???
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
So what's your excuse then for sisters??? Jesus had sisters as well....Or maybe we call them popsicles...
It's amazing the distance your religion will go to disprove the word of God to fit it's own unbiblical tradition...
Every time you call Mary CO-whatever, you are putting her equal with Jesus...If you don't want her to be equal to Jesus, call her something else...
Obviously 'CO' is not the American translation of the latin word 'cum' since you guys say the American translation is 'with'...
We know what CO means in English and it doesn't mean 'with'...
The Church teaches that Mary was conceived without sin, so that she would be the perfect vessel for God's Son.
That's fine for your religion but the scriptures teach something completely different...You know what that means???
God did not want a perfect, sinless vessel for His Son...God wanted Jesus to endure temptation, not be immune to it...
“If it hadn’t been for Mary, Jesus would not have been born as a human child”
Boy was God lucky that time. His whole plan of salvation could have been thwarted by a little girl. However, I think He probably took all that into consideration and maybe even had a contingent plan just as He did on the triumphal entry into Jerusalem.
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
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No it doesn't...We already have an English word for 'cum'...It is 'with'
And in your world, English can only have one way to translate the Latin word 'cum.'
Thankfully, I don't live in your world.
Nor, apparently, does anyone else.
No doubt the Apostle Paul and I are both ignorant in your eyes...
Paul warned us about you guys preaching another Gospel than what he taught...And then here comes you and Iraneus...
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