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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; BrandtMichaels; wmfights; 1000 silverlings
Really? Where? And how do you know to Whom John Paul is praying? When I say Hail Mary I am praying to God.

Why not just go boldly before the throne of God with your requests? Christ gave that authority as the adopted children of the Father and His brother..

The scripure does tell you though that the Apostolic Church, -- not you -- gets to decide what forms prayer takes.

Where does it say that? There is no current apostolic authority as Christ never gave them the authority to "pass on" what He had given to them ...There is no such thing as apostolic succession in scripture

It also tells you that the basis of your faith, -- salvation by faith alone, -- is a heresy. Worry about that, please.

I will show you mine if you show me yours...(scripture)

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment::9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 4:5 But to him that WORKETH NOT, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Faith and belief are inseparable

Jesus never taught salvation by works, in fact he taught just the opposite

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

What is the will of the Father? Scripture says this is His will for men Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The will of the Father is that we believe, so what does Jesus say to the man that thought his works or self righteousness would earn him salvation ?

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
That mans WORKS which he did in the name of Jesus were called SIN (iniquity) by Christ. Why?

Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

250 posted on 02/17/2010 12:08:54 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
Why not just go boldly before the throne of God with your requests?

So naturally you never ask anyone to pray for you, right?

251 posted on 02/17/2010 12:10:11 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7
Jesus never taught salvation by works.

Of course not. Faith AND works are required.

253 posted on 02/17/2010 12:11:01 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7

Amen, RnMom! For those with eyes to see and ears to hear.


257 posted on 02/17/2010 12:12:47 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
I would never demand that other Christians honor Jesus' mother. With all the real perversions in the world, I don't think it's appropriate to look for "specks of dust" that differentiate us. Unless it can be done in a loving manner.


Doctor Scott Hahn was an anti-Catholic, fervent Protestant, who converted to Catholisism, after researching the "problems with Catholisism" for a book he was working on.

Dr. Hahn lovingly explains why his research found The Catholic Church to be the true to the Word of God.

Dr. Scott Hahn

Matthew

Chapter 7

1 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged.

2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.

3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

5 You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.

318 posted on 02/17/2010 1:13:19 PM PST by mgist
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; BrandtMichaels; wmfights; 1000 silverlings
Why not just go boldly before the throne of God with your requests?

Why not indeed? I just came from Church and prayed at Mass. Humbly, most of the time on my knees. So? I can't pray to Mary because I got done praying before the throne of God directly? Shouldn't we pray without ceasing?

no such thing as apostolic succession in scripture

Read some. There is. Election of Mathias, verious ordinations and consecrations throughout the scripture.

Faith and belief are inseparable

Jesus never taught salvation by works

No one argues otherwise. Salvation is by faith and works. Your counterscriptural heresy says that it is by faith alone. Find that in the scripture, please.

414 posted on 02/17/2010 5:40:20 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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