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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
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To: RnMomof7
"Are they infallible? Do you accept EVERY word of these Fathers are true and correct... careful now"

The "unanimous consent of the Fathers" (unanimem consensum Patrum) refers to the morally unanimous teaching of the Church Fathers on certain doctrines or interpretations of Scripture as received by the universal Church. This forms, to a large degree, what Catholics mean by Sacred Tradition. The individual Fathers are not personally infallible, and a discrepancy by one or two patristic witnesses does not harm the collective patristic testimony.

481 posted on 02/18/2010 1:26:02 AM PST by GonzoII (www.fultonsheen.com)
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To: wmfights

“Eventually he heard it and before he died he said he was at rest and had total faith in Jesus.”

Amen! That is good news indeed!


482 posted on 02/18/2010 3:46:27 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: annalex; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; BrandtMichaels; wmfights; RnMomof7
But I can substantiate my opinion. If you love Christ, you love whom He loves. You love the saints and feel good in their company.

And who are the saints? Luther? Calvin? The New Orleans' football team? (Well, at least this year they're loved.)

Call it a hunch but I suspect you probably don't love Calvin as much as Mary. Certainly not Luther. And we won't even start with Tyndale who wicked offense was to translate the Bible into English; for which the loving Catholics, who "enjoy the fellowship of the saints", strangled him to death, burned him at the stake, and scattered his ashes. GASP! I suspect the loving Catholics wanted to make sure he didn't suffer.

That's not much of a way of substantiating your opinion, in my opinion.

483 posted on 02/18/2010 4:06:33 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Judith Anne; Dr. Eckleburg
It would be interesting to learn what the lurkers thought, when they discovered that Keith Olbermann, Robin Williams, Maureen Dowd, and Bill Maher all said that the Holy Father was a Nazi, just like the Calvinists do ....

It is a documented fact that the Pope was a member of the Hitler's Youth, an off shoot of the Nazi Party. What his motives were are questionable. However, let's not try to rewrite history and imply he wasn't.

484 posted on 02/18/2010 4:17:52 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Leave this thread


485 posted on 02/18/2010 5:12:21 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: ViLaLuz
I thought it might be helpful. He didn't want to hear The Gospel from me, but he heard it.
486 posted on 02/18/2010 5:13:05 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; HarleyD; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Christian_Capitalist; Quix
"Pour our friends some wine, son." "OK, mom."

then every Jewish mother in the world is a mediator

I agree, evey mother who ever says that to her son, is a mediator to her son. Jewish or not, whether the wine is then produced miraculously or not. Thanks for stating it so simply, for everyone to understand.

487 posted on 02/18/2010 5:21:24 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; BrandtMichaels; wmfights; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings
that is true for living saints on earth. You're not in the company of saints now in heaven

So I should stop loving them? Where is this distinction between earth and heaven drawn in the Scripture?

488 posted on 02/18/2010 5:24:29 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: wmfights

When I read the scripture and it says “Mother of Christ” I feel pretty certain that scripture is about Mary. That is because as a Catholic, I love and trust the scripture. Each time a Protestant invents fantastical readings of Acts 12, he is embarassing himself and his catechist, a donkey.


489 posted on 02/18/2010 5:27:46 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: HarleyD
It is a documented fact that the Pope was a member of the Hitler's Youth, an off shoot of the Nazi Party.

He was conscripted.

It was a forceable induction, he was pressed into compulsory service.

A half-truth is a lie too.

490 posted on 02/18/2010 5:28:34 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: HarleyD

But Hitlerjugend membership did not confer membership in the Nazi party. That’s simply false.

And that’s what a Nazi is...a member of the Nazi party.

You want to establish Pope Benedict was a Nazi, prove his party membership.


491 posted on 02/18/2010 5:30:53 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Judith Anne
Look at the ahistorical garbage presented to us here:
His police unit, of which he was head, was absorbed into the SS, thus making him a member.
Those police units were placed under the command of the SS, not made a part of the SS.

SS membership was jealously protected and carefully awarded, not conferred automatically.

492 posted on 02/18/2010 5:41:13 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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493 posted on 02/18/2010 5:43:02 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights
Why is it Roman Catholics always feel the need to tell everyone they spend their prayer time on their knees?

Because God taught us how to pray. This time, however, the emphasis was on the suggestion to "go boldly". There is time for that, especially in explaining the teachings of the Church (Acts 18:26, 19:8), but in connection to prayer is sounds somehow off.

Yes, I pray typically, outside of church settings, when I am not seen by anyone. I have probably done it in a closet as well, especially trying to pick a shirt that still fits. Prayer is a good habit to have. There are many excellent prayers to Mary posted on this thread; I heartily, even boldly, recommend them to anyone. Memorize them and they will always center your mind on God. Also, nothing prohibits you people from praying also visibly. Especially, before meals, a sign of the Cross will bless the meal for everyone since most likely you will be the only one doing it.

Your church probably has prayer groups and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. This is an excellent way to grow in faith. Come, adore your Savior, in silence, and in silence tell Him that you love Him.

There is a short and memorable discourse one had with Mother Teresa:

-- When you talk to Christ, what do you tell Him?
-- Nothing
-- What does He tell you?
-- Nothing. I look and Him. He looks at me. We are happy.

There is one pressing social need to pray. Take your Rosary to an abortion mill. Hold it and pray to Our Blessed Mother. There is no greater act of good citizenship today in America than that.

All that, do boldly.

Pray when you go to bed and pray when you wake up. Place a Crucifix visibly in your bedroom. Make it the first thing you see waking up, the last thing you see turning off the lights.

Teach your children how to pray. Teach your parents how to pray. In many families, you have greater faith than they did.

Have icons around the house. Have statues in your garden. Know who your patron saint is and learn about him. Tell him about you. Light candles. Pray, in short, always and may a Catholic prayer in the company of saints in heaven accompany your every step. Remember, your life eternal has started already. Deo Gratias.

494 posted on 02/18/2010 5:54:00 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
When I see RC's bowing down or kneeling to statues, or images, of Mary I know they aren't praying to Jesus. When I witness to RC's and am told that they "go to Mary" instead of Jesus I know they expect her to do what only God does.

There is something seriously wrong when RC's think a feast day to Mary is the big event of the Christmas season. I know this is going on because I talk to these people. If what they are doing is condemned by your church why has your church promoted the behavior?

It is wrong to teach, promote, or not rebuke any practice that turns people away from Jesus that is what this Marian Heresy does.

495 posted on 02/18/2010 5:54:23 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; HarleyD; blue-duncan
Why would you even want the saints to protect you

Because ours is a faith held in common. "Ecclesia" also means community, remember?

496 posted on 02/18/2010 5:56:04 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg
Mary was no mediator, at most she was a concerned invitee and pointing out an embarrassing situation. She did not know Jesus had any extraordinary power

You don't know that. You know that she in fact, materially, mediated to her Son, and His ministry started then. This is how the Evangelist tells it. If he knew what you imagine to be a fact, for a fact, he would tell us, especially if, as your Bible Alone superstition goes, the Bible were the container of everything that we need to know for salvation, and here, so many read this passage and see intercession of saints in it, and so pray to Mary, and you got it in your head that that is so horribly wrong.

After the wedding feast at the beginning of his ministry there are only two times in all of the gospels where Mary is mentioned in proximity to Jesus; when she and his brothers tried to pull rank on those listening to his teaching and at the cross. The first incident Jesus didn't acknowledge her but simply said those that followed him were his mother and brethren. After the cross she is not mentioned until in the upper room after the ascension. She is not among those who ministered to him during his ministry and was not among those who were at the tomb for the burial protocols nor is she mentioned at any of the appearances before the ascension or at the ascension

So let's count them. Arithmetic is a belief we have in common. 1 and 2: Mary is with Jesus, at a difficult time, where He likens all of faith to her, and explains that her physical motherhood "paps that gave Thee suck" is less important than her faith and ours. Important lesson. 3: the Cross itself, where her universal motherhood is revealed. 4: the Upper Room. 5: the Pentecost (the Evangelist stresses that all mentioned in the Upper room were still there). 6: Acts 12, fighting Satan and your calumnies.

yet he is silent

Acts 12. Please tell me the Mother of Christ is not Mary, so I can make fun of you some more.

497 posted on 02/18/2010 6:08:23 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

As Dr. Eckleburg has been commanded to leave this thread, continuing to ping her is not permitted (as I understand it).


498 posted on 02/18/2010 6:09:58 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: AnalogReigns

Intercessory prayer is not worship. Worship defined in Romans 12:1


499 posted on 02/18/2010 6:10:44 AM PST by wordsofearnest (Job 19:25 As for me, I know my Redeemer lives.)
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To: wmfights
...that is what this Marian Heresy does.

There is no "Marian Heresy" in the Catholic Church, though there is quite a bit of vaguely-misogynist deprecation and mockery of Mary swirling around anti-Catholic circles.

500 posted on 02/18/2010 6:11:41 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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