Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply

Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

[GonzoII]

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

[windsorknot]

Catholics do not “worship” the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Catholics need not waste their breath explaining this to those who insist that they do.

[Petronski]

...his father was a SS officer...

You made the claim, where's your proof?

[RnMomof7]

She is a Queen Mother, not a Queen Consort.

So now she is not the "Queen of heaven:"she is the "queen mother of heaven", (a totally different role )any other doctrinal changes I need to know about?

[RnMomof7]

LOL let the readers decide

[RnMomof7]

Bingo!

[Petronski]

“Ashtoreth,/Astart/ Ishtar THAT is the queen of heaven .....” —RnMomof7

[1000 silverlings]

Christ is a son of David's, who is a son of Judah who was one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Using your YOPIOS, then tell us when was Mary persecuted?

Rev 5 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Israel on the other hand, has been dispersed among the nations, protected by God, we know from scripture that a remnant will be saved,and that she has been persecuted forever.

Israel, the Church, is the bride. Ever hear of "the bride of Christ?"

Rev 19

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.

[Pyro7480]

I’m explaining HOW she is a queen. She isn’t queen by “marrying” Christ. She is queen because her SON is a King.

[Pyro7480]

Using your YOPIOS, then tell us when was Mary persecuted?

So, you're denying that she suffered persecution (along with her spouse St. Joseph) when her Son was threatened with death by Herod? You're denying that Simeon prophesized that a sword would pierce her heart?

[Petronski]

Strange ideas floating around in these lost hearts of protestantism:

• Ashtoreth/Astart/Ishtar is the queen of heaven
• Mary married Jesus
• Mary conceived Jesus non-consensually

It's a real pity.

[fatboy]

Can you point me to scripture that states there will be any Queen helping the King in the kingdom?

[RnMomof7]

The title belongs to a pagan religion and the role and title were adopted by the catholics so they too could have a female representative in heaven for the little women and the mommas boys that need woman rep.. ..no priesthood for women, throw them a bone..give them their own little god...the nuns will like that.

There is not one biblical passage that elevates Mary to any high statue let alone goddess status..this is just one more doctrine made out of whole cloth

[1000 silverlings]

Yes, there is no scripture to support the idea that she is sitting on a throne in heaven. Of course, absurd theology says, "just because it doesn't say so, doesn't mean it's not true", which is why some religions, that insist upon worshipping the creature, rather than the Creator, must resort to extra-biblical revelation to support their gnostic wisdom.

Then, of course, they can pull a verse out of the bible, ignore the other biblical references that support its meaning, and make up theology out of whole cloth, yet deny it's their YOPIOS.

[Petronski]

The title belongs to a pagan religion...

The title refers to the Mother of God, the Blessed Mary Ever Virgin.

...and the role and title were adopted by the catholics so they too could have a female representative in heaven for the little women and the mommas boys that need woman rep.. ..no priesthood for women, throw them a bone..give them their own little god...the nuns will like that.

You truly have a poisonous view of the Catholic Church.

I no longer believe you were ever Catholic, though it had been a pretty convincing show to this point.

[Pyro7480]

Your question is based on the false premise that Scripture is the only source of Christianity.

[Petronski]

Your answer is based on the absurd false tradition of men known as sola Scriptura.

[fatboy]

Does the Romanish Church still teach that Mary and the other Saints have excess merits stored in a lock-box that can be used as grace credits via the purchase or awarding of indulgences to sinners wanting?

[RnMomof7]

You do have a queen. Revelation 12 describes a woman, “clothed with the sun...and on her head a crown of twelve stars,” with a Child Who “who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.” The Child is obviously Christ the King, so how is not the crowned woman (Mary) a queen?

This scripture is metaphor . The woman is Israel birthing Christ

1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: John called this a SIGN not a replay of a previous event

2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.

Birth pains are a result of the curse of original sin.. If Mary was born without original sin, she would not have "travailed" in pain..the pain was the pain of Israel under Roman authority at the time of Christ's birth
Scripturally Joseph’s dream (Genesis 37:9-11) indicates that this is Israel

3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems:

Was there a red dragon there ready to eat the child?

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days.

Mary never fled into the desert for 1260 days

7 And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels:

8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of the testimony, and they loved not their lives unto death.

12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth, and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman, who brought forth the man child:

14 And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Mary never grew wings and flew away ... or at least I never saw a picture or painting of that ??? 
Eagle’s Wings are an emblem from the Exodus deliverance (Exodus 19:4), again seeming to be a symbol of Israel

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman, water as it were a river; that he might cause her to be carried away by the river.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the river, which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Again seeming to be a connection between Israel and the church today... which are the seed of Abraham
The Catholic church does not get to take the 1st part of the revelation and then skip the middle and move to the end to apply it . EITHER IT IS ALL ABOUT MARY or as John says ..it is a sign As I have said.. The queen of heaven is a Pagan title..not one applied to that lowly handmaiden of the lord

[Petronski]

Perhaps you can find a Romanish and ask them?

Mostly this thread is populated by Catholics and those who hate the Catholic Church.

[fatboy]

So Patronski, are you trying to insinuate that I’m a fool for placing my faith and trust in the Bible and it’s teachings alone? Looking for clarification.