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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: bvm; catholic; mariolatry; moapb; ourlady
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To: annalex
If "Mary is the sole human agent" why is Jesus referred to as "the seed of Abraham" and "the seed of David", "the seed of Israel" never as "the seed of Mary"? except of course in Revelation 12 where in yopios or the OPIOS of the Catholic church, whomever, "The Woman" is deemed Mary, though its "plain reading" never says "Mary"?

Why do we have to have all the royal line traced throughout the bible from Adam on down, with a long genealogy of dozens of humans if Mary is the only one that matters? Does God just like to ramble on?

1,561 posted on 02/21/2010 2:31:10 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: the_conscience; wmfights; RnMomof7; editor-surveyor
I'm coming Mary!


1,562 posted on 02/21/2010 2:38:11 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Jesus is referred derisively as “Son of Mary” by the pharisees. They hit the nail on the head with this one, too. A king of this world they would have hailed; it is the “son of Mary” that consternated them. Part of the Plan.

Why all the genealogy? Why, because they are the fact, for one thing. The Kingship of Jesus is also the fact. Nothing in the Queenship of Mary takes away these centuries of God-seeking that the Jews labored through. The Plan of Salvation is sometimes also called the Economy of Salvation. This is a bit unsettling for us because we understand economy as banking and shopping. But the word really means Rule of the House. The Plan of Salvation is not instantaneous — if it were, God could have pardoned the mankind right with Abel. It is rather, like building a house, basement to roof. We had to go through the Flood, the Captivity, the Passover, the dynasties, the apostasies, the two temples to get to that morning in Nazareth. This is why the two Gospels that tell of the Incarnation start with the genealogy: to tell us that this is a cosmic event they are set out to tell.


1,563 posted on 02/21/2010 2:48:38 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings
Jesus is referred derisively as “Son of Mary” by the pharisees. They hit the nail on the head with this one, too. A king of this world they would have hailed; it is the “son of Mary” that consternated them. Part of the Plan. Why all the genealogy? Why, because they are the fact, for one thing. The Kingship of Jesus is also the fact. Nothing in the Queenship of Mary takes away these centuries of God-seeking that the Jews labored through. The Plan of Salvation is sometimes also called the Economy of Salvation. This is a bit unsettling for us because we understand economy as banking and shopping. But the word really means Rule of the House. The Plan of Salvation is not instantaneous — if it were, God could have pardoned the mankind right with Abel. It is rather, like building a house, basement to roof. We had to go through the Flood, the Captivity, the Passover, the dynasties, the apostasies, the two temples to get to that morning in Nazareth. This is why the two Gospels that tell of the Incarnation start with the genealogy: to tell us that this is a cosmic event they are set out to tell.

There are four things that are important here:

1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
and is descended from King David.

2. Joseph is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.

3. The inheritance exception granted for the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect (Numbers 26,27,36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7 ).

4. Joseph and Miriam are married ( each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent inheritance
of the Kingship of David for her to pass on to her son Yah'shua.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,564 posted on 02/21/2010 3:06:08 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: annalex

There’s essentially no evidence in Rev 12 that it has ANYTHING to do with the

physical birth of Jesus.

Y’all are great at taking metaphor as metaphor except when you need it otherwise to support dogma from hell.

Impressive.


1,565 posted on 02/21/2010 3:25:07 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 1000 silverlings

INDEED.


1,566 posted on 02/21/2010 3:25:31 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: annalex

1,567 posted on 02/21/2010 3:26:31 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: editor-surveyor

That is true, and that is the totality of Mary’s special mission. All of the rest of her commission here is exactly the same as for every other member of the Body of Christ. There is nothing in scripture to indicate otherwise, and the words of Christ show clearly that she was one of the sheep, and nothing more; not even an apostolic gift.

##

INDEED.


1,568 posted on 02/21/2010 3:27:35 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: annalex

The physical birth of Jesus is

NOT

DESCRIBED

AT ALL

IN REV 12.

sheesh.


1,569 posted on 02/21/2010 3:28:18 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: the_conscience

It’s been fierce recently.

Evidently it’s quite jangled by so much truth about it’s successes being so clearly posted.


1,570 posted on 02/21/2010 3:28:56 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: editor-surveyor

Woman can be many things, but “The Woman” can only be Israel, beginning in Genesis 3 and onward.

###

INDEED!


1,571 posted on 02/21/2010 3:29:48 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: annalex

JESUS HIMSELF SEPARATED HIMSELF . . . FROM

. . . HIS MOTHER

AND HIS BLOOD BROTHERS

AND HIS BLOOD SISTERS.

AND ***EMPHASIZED*** THAT HIS RELATIVES WERE THOSE WHO DID THE WILL OF THE FATHER. It was clear that no other distinction or relationship was a priority to Him . . . particularly compared to that one.

It’s also interesting how y’all disbelieve Christ’s words about John the Baptist being a greater man than anyone born of woman.

Such arrogant hubris.

Incredible.


1,572 posted on 02/21/2010 3:32:00 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well put.


1,573 posted on 02/21/2010 3:33:16 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
כֵּן, רבי
1,574 posted on 02/21/2010 3:48:51 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: BenKenobi

WHO BOWS TO CROSSES??????? WE SAVE THAT FOR JESUS.


1,575 posted on 02/21/2010 3:49:16 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: BrandtMichaels

THANKS...GOOD POSTS.


1,576 posted on 02/21/2010 3:50:38 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: RnMomof7

AMEN.


1,577 posted on 02/21/2010 3:52:12 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Petronski

NO, IT USUALLY COMES FROM SOME OF YOU CATHOLICS...


1,578 posted on 02/21/2010 4:06:01 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Quix

SOME HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING WORK...


1,579 posted on 02/21/2010 4:07:03 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: 1000 silverlings

GOOD ONE.


1,580 posted on 02/21/2010 4:07:39 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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