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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
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| Tim Staples
Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
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To: annalex
If "Mary is the sole human agent" why is Jesus referred to as "the seed of Abraham" and "the seed of David", "the seed of Israel" never as "the seed of Mary"? except of course in Revelation 12 where in yopios or the OPIOS of the Catholic church, whomever, "The Woman" is deemed Mary, though its "plain reading" never says "Mary"?
Why do we have to have all the royal line traced throughout the bible from Adam on down, with a long genealogy of dozens of humans if Mary is the only one that matters? Does God just like to ramble on?
1,561
posted on
02/21/2010 2:31:10 PM PST
by
1000 silverlings
(everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
To: the_conscience; wmfights; RnMomof7; editor-surveyor
I'm coming Mary!
1,562
posted on
02/21/2010 2:38:11 PM PST
by
1000 silverlings
(everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
To: 1000 silverlings
Jesus is referred derisively as “Son of Mary” by the pharisees. They hit the nail on the head with this one, too. A king of this world they would have hailed; it is the “son of Mary” that consternated them. Part of the Plan.
Why all the genealogy? Why, because they are the fact, for one thing. The Kingship of Jesus is also the fact. Nothing in the Queenship of Mary takes away these centuries of God-seeking that the Jews labored through. The Plan of Salvation is sometimes also called the Economy of Salvation. This is a bit unsettling for us because we understand economy as banking and shopping. But the word really means Rule of the House. The Plan of Salvation is not instantaneous — if it were, God could have pardoned the mankind right with Abel. It is rather, like building a house, basement to roof. We had to go through the Flood, the Captivity, the Passover, the dynasties, the apostasies, the two temples to get to that morning in Nazareth. This is why the two Gospels that tell of the Incarnation start with the genealogy: to tell us that this is a cosmic event they are set out to tell.
1,563
posted on
02/21/2010 2:48:38 PM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: annalex; 1000 silverlings
Jesus is referred derisively as Son of Mary by the pharisees. They hit the nail on the head with this one, too. A king of this world they would have hailed; it is the son of Mary that consternated them. Part of the Plan. Why all the genealogy? Why, because they are the fact, for one thing. The Kingship of Jesus is also the fact. Nothing in the Queenship of Mary takes away these centuries of God-seeking that the Jews labored through. The Plan of Salvation is sometimes also called the Economy of Salvation. This is a bit unsettling for us because we understand economy as banking and shopping. But the word really means Rule of the House. The Plan of Salvation is not instantaneous if it were, God could have pardoned the mankind right with Abel. It is rather, like building a house, basement to roof. We had to go through the Flood, the Captivity, the Passover, the dynasties, the apostasies, the two temples to get to that morning in Nazareth. This is why the two Gospels that tell of the Incarnation start with the genealogy: to tell us that this is a cosmic event they are set out to tell.
There are four things that are important here: 1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
and is descended from King David.
2. Joseph is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.
3. The inheritance exception granted for the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect (Numbers 26,27,36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7 ).
4. Joseph and Miriam are married ( each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent inheritance
of the Kingship of David for her to pass on to her son Yah'shua.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,564
posted on
02/21/2010 3:06:08 PM PST
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
To: annalex
There’s essentially no evidence in Rev 12 that it has ANYTHING to do with the
physical birth of Jesus.
Y’all are great at taking metaphor as metaphor except when you need it otherwise to support dogma from hell.
Impressive.
1,565
posted on
02/21/2010 3:25:07 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: 1000 silverlings
1,566
posted on
02/21/2010 3:25:31 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: annalex
1,567
posted on
02/21/2010 3:26:31 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: editor-surveyor
That is true, and that is the totality of Mary’s special mission. All of the rest of her commission here is exactly the same as for every other member of the Body of Christ. There is nothing in scripture to indicate otherwise, and the words of Christ show clearly that she was one of the sheep, and nothing more; not even an apostolic gift.
##
INDEED.
1,568
posted on
02/21/2010 3:27:35 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: annalex
The physical birth of Jesus is
NOT
DESCRIBED
AT ALL
IN REV 12.
sheesh.
1,569
posted on
02/21/2010 3:28:18 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: the_conscience
It’s been fierce recently.
Evidently it’s quite jangled by so much truth about it’s successes being so clearly posted.
1,570
posted on
02/21/2010 3:28:56 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: editor-surveyor
Woman can be many things, but “The Woman” can only be Israel, beginning in Genesis 3 and onward.
###
INDEED!
1,571
posted on
02/21/2010 3:29:48 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: annalex
JESUS HIMSELF SEPARATED HIMSELF . . . FROM
. . . HIS MOTHER
AND HIS BLOOD BROTHERS
AND HIS BLOOD SISTERS.
AND ***EMPHASIZED*** THAT HIS RELATIVES WERE THOSE WHO DID THE WILL OF THE FATHER. It was clear that no other distinction or relationship was a priority to Him . . . particularly compared to that one.
It’s also interesting how y’all disbelieve Christ’s words about John the Baptist being a greater man than anyone born of woman.
Such arrogant hubris.
Incredible.
1,572
posted on
02/21/2010 3:32:00 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: editor-surveyor
1,573
posted on
02/21/2010 3:33:16 PM PST
by
Quix
( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
To: UriÂ’el-2012
כֵּן, רבי
1,574
posted on
02/21/2010 3:48:51 PM PST
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: BenKenobi
WHO BOWS TO CROSSES??????? WE SAVE THAT FOR JESUS.
To: BrandtMichaels
To: RnMomof7
To: Petronski
NO, IT USUALLY COMES FROM SOME OF YOU CATHOLICS...
To: Quix
SOME HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING WORK...
To: 1000 silverlings
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