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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: bvm; catholic; mariolatry; moapb; ourlady
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

AMEN!


1,501 posted on 02/21/2010 7:36:59 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; the_conscience; editor-surveyor
When your theology is Mary-centric, then everything in the bible has to be about her. Therefore, it doesn't matter what the revelation from God really says, it's all about Mary, all the time, and that's how they read it. We have been told so.

I guess if one were enamored of Barack Obama and convinced he's the Messiah, he would pick up Rev 12 and see Barack in the sky with diamonds. And Lucy.

1,502 posted on 02/21/2010 8:58:45 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: editor-surveyor; annalex; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; Quix; UriÂ’el-2012
Yes, its Israel, as plain as can be, and if you ask your Pastor, I'm quite sure that he will clear it up for you.

I doubt it. The RCC has done nothing to stop the Marian heresy.

1,503 posted on 02/21/2010 10:08:14 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: the_conscience

The difference between you and me then is that I am Christian and you are Sethian. Are you on the right forum?


1,504 posted on 02/21/2010 10:21:00 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Yah'shua is not a catholic, nor a hindu, nor a baptist.

Amen

He is my Lord, my God, my Savior.

1,505 posted on 02/21/2010 10:22:49 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: 1000 silverlings

All this is wonderful but I am not a Hebrew or a Sethian. I am Christian. Christ crushed the Serpent. Mary is His mother. He is her seed. It is not complicated.


1,506 posted on 02/21/2010 10:23:52 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; editor-surveyor; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; Quix
Yah'shua is not a catholic, nor a hindu, nor a baptist

Jesus is most certainly Catholic, as Catholic is the Church that teaches to imitate Him without an ethnic distinction. He had a real human mother. Not a country and not a Hebrew patriarch, He had a mother like you and me have a mother. Like your mother and my mother she had a name no judaizer dares to say. Mary is the name. She is the Woman, and a Jewish woman to that. She is the high point and the fulfillment of the sacred Hebrew mission.

1,507 posted on 02/21/2010 10:31:04 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: 1000 silverlings; UriÂ’el-2012; the_conscience; editor-surveyor
When your theology is Mary-centric, then everything in the bible has to be about her

Not everything, just the verses that make a reference to her, which are indeed very many.

1,508 posted on 02/21/2010 10:33:00 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: wmfights; editor-surveyor; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; Quix; UriÂ’el-2012

You know, one thing the Protestants could do as a Bible believing community is to stop the judaizing buffoonery in their midst, starting with that Mary is Israel trick.


1,509 posted on 02/21/2010 10:40:07 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; UriÂ’el-2012; wmfights; the_conscience; editor-surveyor
She is the high point and the fulfillment of the sacred Hebrew mission.

Wow Well at least we're getting an education this AM. Mary was the reason for the Plan of Salvation! And no Judaizer dare speak her name!

1,510 posted on 02/21/2010 10:50:24 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: annalex; UriÂ’el-2012; wmfights; the_conscience; editor-surveyor
How do you propose we stop the judaizing buffoonery in our midst,
1,511 posted on 02/21/2010 10:52:55 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: annalex

The term “the woman” in prophecy is in every case Israel.

Most of these are also duplicated in different times in several OT prophecy books. Nothing in any of these prophecies is in any way about “motherhood” per se, but about the geneaology of Christ, and the adversary’s attack thereon. - It is in every case a still future prophecy, to occur at some point after the church has been removed, prior to the trib.

The attempt to inject Mary, who is in reality a mostly minor player after giving birth to her first son, is what is tripping you up, preventing your understanding of otherwise easily understood prophecies. - This particular prophecy was under seal at the time that the apostolic evangelism began, but was revealed in the AD 90s in the writing of the Apocalypse. The early church fathers understood it, but that understanding began to be corrupted in the fourth century, and later. - This corruption was the catalyst of the Dark Ages.


1,512 posted on 02/21/2010 11:36:40 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: 1000 silverlings; annalex; UriÂ’el-2012; wmfights; the_conscience; Quix
"Mary was the reason for the Plan of Salvation!"

Sadly, she really appears to believe this strong delusion.

1,513 posted on 02/21/2010 11:47:32 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: annalex

Ohh OK ..thanks for the clarification


1,514 posted on 02/21/2010 11:58:55 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: annalex; editor-surveyor; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; Quix
U-2012>Yah'shua is not a catholic, nor a hindu, nor a baptist

Jesus is most certainly Catholic, as Catholic is the Church that teaches to imitate Him without an ethnic distinction. He had a real human mother. Not a country and not a Hebrew patriarch, He had a mother like you and me have a mother. Like your mother and my mother she had a name no judaizer dares to say. Mary is the name. She is the Woman, and a Jewish woman to that. She is the high point and the fulfillment of the sacred Hebrew mission

Clearly you teach a different gospel.

Rabbi Paul says:

4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.

6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;

Mary is the only Hebrew mission? LOL

The Jews are G-d's Chosen people.

They are the keepers of G-d's Holy Word.

Yah'shua came into this world as a Jew.
lived as a Jew, fulfilled His Law,
so that you were not obligated
to fulfill it's every jot and tittle.

You are blessed that His Chosen
People have been blinded for a season
or you would never have been given the
opportunity to be grafted into the olive tree

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,515 posted on 02/21/2010 11:59:18 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; annalex; editor-surveyor

And technically, Mary was a “Judaizer”, not to mention the other apostles and disciples. I wonder if she dared call herself “Mary”.


1,516 posted on 02/21/2010 12:06:33 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings; annalex; editor-surveyor
And technically, Mary was a “Judaizer”, not to mention the other apostles and disciples. I wonder if she dared call herself “Mary”.

I would guess she thought of herself as Miriam.
One who wish for child

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,517 posted on 02/21/2010 12:13:34 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: annalex
She is the high point and the fulfillment of the sacred Hebrew mission.,

Peter himself would dispute you.

Acts 4

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, 9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1,518 posted on 02/21/2010 12:15:52 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Well there you go


1,519 posted on 02/21/2010 12:17:12 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: annalex; UriÂ’el-2012; wmfights; the_conscience; editor-surveyor
All this is wonderful but I am not a Hebrew or a Sethian.

Good for you! Congratulations!

Would it then surprise you to learn that Jesus is? Mary too. Their line of descent is given in the scriptures. They were Judaizers too, as were the apostles, including Peter, and quite a few of the early disciples.

Also descended from Seth is that rascal Abraham? Ever hear of him?

He had the nerve to sire that "child of promise" Isaac, and then God forbid, here came that Jacob!

Judaizers all. Then of course came those darn 12 tribes!

Then that Judah showed up,and we know he was a "Judaizer" because he gave his name to them, as well as that darn Israel!

Then Judah, that scoundrel, he had that David in his descent and then.... the rest as they say is history. Not only "history" but God's planned history, I think it's called , what is it called? Oh I know!

The Plan of Salvation!

1,520 posted on 02/21/2010 12:32:21 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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