Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
The Scenario:
Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.
Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”
Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”
On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.
Step One:
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Instead, He put her under the care, love and safety of one of His beloved John, with whom she lived out her life.
I think I addressed it in 1424.
I suspect John has other focus and priorities in Heaven currently.
If he has awareness of such, he’s likely grieved but trusting and confident that God will work His will regardless.
The sociology is horrific in terms of mind control and OUT-GROUP hostilities and tyrannical approaches and attitudes thereto.
All manner of craziness is propagated . . . to embellish !!!!CONTROL!!!! and maintain the status quo while, where possible, deepening the blasphemies and idolatries.
Sometimes I am tempted to think that hell does have a death grip on most of the whole edifice. If the rabid cliques hereon are any clue, it certainly does.
FAR from
“beyond dispute.”
ARROGANCE TO THE MAX;
!!!!CONTROL!!!! PHREAQUE MENTALITIES TO THE MAX;
MARIAN IDOLATRIES AND BLASPHEMIES TO THE MAX
may carry the day with some organizations and mentalities . . .
however, NOT with a number of Prottys hereon.
Alex, that's just a goofy statement to make. The genre of the writing does not lend itself to a simple propositional statement. The connections you tried to use to prove it's Mary proves that the identity is not beyond dispute. If the text had read something like: Mary the mother of Jesus... we would have an identity beyond dispute but it does not.
The immediate context is not Gen 3:15. That may be some additional evidence but immediate context is always within the book itself. The immediate context points to the woman as the Church/Israel. You extrapolate a lot out of Gen 3:15 without proving it. Why should I believe that the woman in 3:15 is Mary? You haven't proven it.
Thus, with all your claims for a "plain reading" you hand to jump through a series of hoops to get to your "plain reading".
INDEED TO THE MAX.
She had 300 hours of flying time...she had a good instructor.
No that was just gibberish meant to deflect the obvious.
It's less complex than a clear explanation of long division, and that's a third grade task.
Again, the woman is identified plainly as being the biological mother of Jesus Christ. If you don’t get that, there is little point discussing things that are less obvious. I am willing to discuss the broader context of the chapter, but I need a rational conversation partner.
If you have a specific question or a specific objection, I will be happy to answer. “Gibberish” is not a question and not an objection.
“Is the woman who gives birth to Christ Mary?”
Some Newton’s binomial.
lol
Deflect the argument and declare victory.
Romanist Apologetics: 101
Yes, its Israel, as plain as can be, and if you ask your Pastor, I'm quite sure that he will clear it up for you. You are the only one making this bizzare claim, and it is so far out that it makes me wonder what you might be consuming.
You may as well not bother. Now the protties are complaining that you are not answering questions that they didn’t ask. Have you ever noticed how typical that is? And they complain that you didn’t address objections they never raised.
It’s almost as strange as them accusing me of something and then refusing to say what I was supposed to have done.
as being the biological mother of Jesus Christ
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NOT BY A VERY LONG SHOT.
Nice futile try.
no sale.
And a tiresome one at that.
BTW, did you read the latest insider whistleblower’s warning I pinged the large list to.
It’s much more congruent with my puzzle piece collecting and reading than some.
Mother of Christ is Israel. Riiight.
It has an immense comical value.
Peter himself, whom they purport to follow, but apparently refuse to listen to, said that this is "the error of the wicked", meaning that it is a planned error, meant to cause destruction.
2 Peter 3
16 also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 ut grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
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