Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply

Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

[GonzoII]

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

[Judith Anne]

Thank God I am not a Romanist, whatever that is.

[mgist]

Why is discussing different theology beliefs on a religion forum set up to discuss theology, “attacking” anybody?

Why don't you start by looking up the term, "Romanist" which is what Catholics have been labeled in this thread.

The bizarre misrepresentations, and the disrespect of our Savior's mother go on, and on.

Maybe it's just cultural, but all things associated with God should be respected. That is why I wouldn't dare claim to know the heart of anyone who claims to know God. Only God understands enough to judge.

[the_conscience]

I thought Pet had the copyright on that phrase? Do you have to pay him to use it?

[Judith Anne]

Who is “Pet”? and please do not make this thread about me.

[the_conscience]

I'm not making this thread about you but you keep referring to yourself like when you say:

Thank God I am not a Romanist

So while I would prefer to discuss the sociology and relationship between Romanism and Liberalism you keep referring to yourself.

I'm simply curious about why Romanists always engage in Liberal methods of attack?

[1000 silverlings]

Why would Mary have a crown of 12 stars? Are you saying they are the 12 apostles? If they are the 12 Apostles, what have they to do with Mary? The 12 Apostles are the pillars of Christ's Church. They are not the support of Mary.

After her Son was taken up to God and His throne, why would "Mary" flee into the wilderness? Where is it documented that she stayed there for 3 and a half years? Where is mention made anywhere in the bible to Mary along with 3 and a half years? What is the significance of that length of time?

When was Christ ever referred to as "Mary's Seed?" Granted He is her son, but He is referred to biblically as "Abraham's Seed". Who is the rest of Mary's seed? You can't have it both ways: according to Catholics there are no "seed" after Christ.

Who are "the brethren" that overcome by the blood of the Lamb?

Throughout the OT, Israel is often referred to as a woman travailing in birth. Christ is Abraham's Seed, and every believer is also Abraham's Seed. The woman referred to is spiritual Israel, the church in the wilderness, the tabernacle not made with human hands.

After Christ was crucified and taken up to his throne, the church was dispersed,spreading throughout the world. Satan indeed unleashed a flood of killers after them,and it's ongoing, but they are still overcoming as the war wages. The "rest of her seed" is the brethren, the church, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[Judith Anne]

I'm simply curious about why Romanists always engage in Liberal methods of attack?

I don't know any Romanists, but if you find one, please let everyone know.

[Judith Anne]

Do you have to pay him to use it?

Your attempt to make this thread about me has failed.

[roamer_1]

I remain convinced that the woman in Revelation is Israel. Some slight possibility it's The Church--the Body of Christ Universal.

It most assuredly IS Israel. One only needs to understand what "water" means in prophetic terms, and then it is easy to see how that "dragon" materialized in history, spewing forth "water" to overcome the woman's children... And that answer will FULLY exclude the possibility that the woman could be Mary.

[mdmathis6]

“the mariage bed is undefiled:....

[RegulatorCountry]

It honestly couldn’t be the Catholic conception of Mary, due to the simple fact that her seed had no remnant, being a lifelong virgin with no child other than Jesus, as Catholics believe.

[annalex]

I do not have an interpretation of every allusion and metaphore in that piece. I might, of course, engage in some speculation, but as a Catholic I do not do that often; ceertainly not after you just accused me of personal interpretation of scripture.

But I do know that the mother of Christ is Mary. That was your questin, wasn’t it? The overall chapter is consistent with the battle with Satan that Christ won.

Christ is referred to as Mary’s seed in the same passage where the battle between the woman and Satan is foretold, Genesis 3:15, already cited. Note that the bizarre biologically allusion to woman’s seed only applies to Mary and her Son, Who did not have a human father.

The rest of Mary’s seed is indeed the Catholic Church, which continues the battle with Satan.

[annalex]

Of course, of course.. Isreal is ALWAYS described as Mother of Christ in the scripture. Without fail.

[the_conscience]

Judy,

You could have simply stated you prefer not to discuss the psychological and sociological connections between Romanism and Liberalism without all the false pretense.

For example, you could state:

1. The connections are appearances of which they are merely coincidental.

or

2. These fundamental similarities are harmful to my position and I do not wish to pursue that understanding.

[roamer_1]

Of course, of course.. Isreal is ALWAYS described as Mother of Christ in the scripture. Without fail.

What is a "woman" in prophetic terms?

[Petronski]

You're hitting on me and Judith Anne and somehow I'm the one who's sick?

[Judith Anne]

Why is anyone concerned with what I post or do not post?

Please do not make this thread about me.

[annalex]

I donno... Surely, it must be Israel... or Luther. There! Luther!

And mother of Christ is in prophetic terms... wait, don’t tell me! ...OK I give up. Luther?

[Marysecretary]

YES, YOU’RE THINKING ANYONE IS HITTING ON EITHER ONE OF YOU IS SICK, SICK, SICK.....

[1000 silverlings]

Christ is referred to “as son of David”, in fact that is the name of the messiah. Was David his father? And the Jerusalem above, “that is the mother of us all”. Sometimes, “Israel” is used for “Jacob”. “Jacob” can refer to the man or the Jews. What is “the Jerusalem” above? Is there a city in the sky?