Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
The Scenario:
Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.
Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”
Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”
On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.
Step One:
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State the post with the personal attack, and if you are correct, I will apologize.
Then why are you here?
I have FRiends here.
You have repeatedly referred to me as a bigot.
State the post number where I referred to you as a bigot, and I will apologize.
Read your last posts to me.
So, you state that I have called you a bigot. I ask for an example. You cannot or will not supply one.
If the shoe fits....
Every post, not one post.
NGR
The entire passage applies to Mary because it identifies the woman as Mother of Christ in the opening paragraphs and there is not another woman making appearance in the middle. It is no more a personal interpretation that reading any text where the character is clearly identified as a text saying something about that character.
If you have something of theological import that is biblically supported, to post and wish to discuss, I’m more than happy to consider it, however I have no interest in whatever it is you are posting, because it is at present unintelligible, so whatever.
Really? Please post the pertinent description that identifies her “as Mary”. Thanks
Up until post 1208, your responses indicated that my posts made sense.
Here's a bible verse for you: "The wicked flee when no man pursueth."
Why? Sacred Tradition and the magesterium identify her as such. Catholics don't do "Sola Scriptura."
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things
Why, thank you!
you’re welcome
A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her a thousand two hundred sixty days. 7 And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels: 8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of the testimony
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17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(Apoc. 12)
The Son is identified as Christ and the woman as His mother; her battle with the Dragon is consistent with Genesis 3:15, and the final reference to Christ again alludes to Genesis 3:15, where the victory of Christ, the seed of "the woman", is foretold.
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
It's interesting because Liberals use the same pejorative against Conservatives. Essentially what they are saying is that we hate your principled position.
Once again we note how Romanists fall back on liberal mantras.
Perhaps it is the oldest citation of that Scripture verse, I don’t know. We don’t even know if Eusebius quoted it correctly - he may not have. The canon of the Scriptures was not finalized until the 390’s, well beyond Eusebius’ time. The point is that the verse in the Bible as we know it is the one I referenced.
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