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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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To: John Leland 1789; Amityschild; Blogger; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
5. The Holy Spirit records for us no place whatsoever where the Lord Jesus Christ directly refers to Mary as His mother in conversation with her. It is “Woman.”

6. Mary (Like 1:46-55) was not greater than John the Baptist (Luke 7:28).

7. Mary either never taught the other children in her own household (those she also bore from the same womb), or if she taught, was never able to convince them of the Missiahship of Jesus Christ (John 7:5).

8. Jesus Christ publicly placed all of His genuine disciples, all who would do the will of his Father, on equal standing with His natural mother. In fact, although the Holy Spirit reveals to us no instance where Jesus Christ directly addressed Mary as, “Mother,” he publicly declared His mother to be “these which hear the word of God, and do it.” (Luke 8:21)

11. After the Resurrection and Ascension of Christ, as to the record of Scripture, Mary never performed any miracles, manifested any signs, nor appeared to anyone in any miraculous way.

14. The Holy Spirit instructed no other writer of New Testament Epistles to write about Mary.

As far as the Scriptures of Truth is concerned, these points represent the emphases and the limits of the emphases of the Author of the Scripture, with regard to Mary, the mother of Jesus. Any other emphases one might wish to draw must come from extra-biblical sources; sources of mere mortals. We shall continue on with the emphases of the Bible, the word of God, and reject any other source that changes the Divine Author’s emphases.

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I found your whole post wonderful and Biblical.

The business about John being greater than all others born of women is denied by the Marian dogma. They brazenly disagree with Scripture on that point. And the weaseling around about it is mind boggling.

Thanks. Great, accurate, Biblical post.

1,021 posted on 02/19/2010 11:03:07 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Grunthor; Petronski; Judith Anne
Protestants do not hate Mary anymore than you worship her. Can you give me an example of what you considerto be “Mary hatred?”

I'm not sure about hatred, though some do hate her, but willfully ignoring what is instructed in Scripture happens all the time.

Read Luke 1:48 (any translation is fine), it DOES NOT simply say that the she is blessed, it says that all generations SHALL CALL HER BLESSED.

I challenge you to find a single post on Free Republic (aside from the posts of a few select Lutherans and Anglicans) where Protestants call the Blessed Mother blessed without first being prompted. I've had plenty of Protestants say, "Oh sure, we call her blessed." However, they never actually do call her blessed, they simply acknowledge it when it's pointed out.

1,022 posted on 02/19/2010 11:03:08 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronski

A brazen 100% falsehood.

Bearing false witness is NOT a fruit of The HOLY Spirit.


1,023 posted on 02/19/2010 11:04:14 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: the_conscience

I put him on Dwight Shrute “Shun”, I can send you a copy of the software if you like.


1,024 posted on 02/19/2010 11:04:21 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: the_conscience; Petronski; Religion Moderator
Although for someone like Petronski who only has two or three of the same phrases he uses on every thread it would be pretty hard for him to comply.

~snip~

Maybe we can make the Petronski exception?

Did you bother to ping Petronski to this, because I didn't see where you did.

As far as I can tell you have been looking to rewrite the Religion Forum rules since you got here. I'm beginning to wonder who sent you.

1,025 posted on 02/19/2010 11:05:54 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Grunthor

In my obsrevations . . .

anything which

disagrees with the Vatican et al dogma about Mary . . . including such as in Ferro’s TEN MEDITATIONS ON THE MYSTERIES OF THE ROSARY . . .

IS CONSIDERED OR AT LEAST LABELED STRATEGICALLY AS HATE.

They seem to love to flind words like

“hate”

and

“bigot”

around as swords.

Sooooooooooooooooo admirable.
/sar


1,026 posted on 02/19/2010 11:06:30 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Petronski
pet>You worship on the pagan Saturn day.

I should apologize, because it's quite possible you worship not precisely on Saturn day, but perhaps as well on the evening of Freyja day (she being the Norse goddess of love, beauty, fertility and war).

You continue to put false words in my mouth.

You have had your knuckles rapped by the
Religion Moderator for this many, many times.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,027 posted on 02/19/2010 11:07:36 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Judith Anne

Are you sure your not related to . . . forget it.


1,028 posted on 02/19/2010 11:07:55 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Judith Anne

!!!!DADDY!!!!! DADDY!

Brother’s looking at me again! Make him stop!


1,029 posted on 02/19/2010 11:07:59 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: the_conscience
“Thank God you’re not talking about the Catholic Church”

You say a great many foul things about the Romanists (Romanishists?), some of them so foul I just like to take a moment to thank God that you are neither (a) actually describing the Catholic Church nor (b) purporting to describe the Catholic Church.

That's a lot to be thankful for.

1,030 posted on 02/19/2010 11:08:25 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Quix
Certainly Professor you know the definition of reductio ad absurdum.
1,031 posted on 02/19/2010 11:09:16 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: John Leland 1789; Quix; RnMomof7; wmfights

Absolutely. Also if as some Catholic theologians now contend, she is the “firstborn of every creature” (and how they harmonize that with the bible we’ll never know)and the Queen consort active in creation, then whenever “the Heavens were opened” the prophets would have seen her sitting high up there with God. No mention is ever made of her in the OT, other than as a young girl who would give birth.


1,032 posted on 02/19/2010 11:09:25 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: the_conscience

Well made point.

We could label them

Standard Petronski Absurdity #1, #2, #3, #4 . . .

and save a lot of typing.


1,033 posted on 02/19/2010 11:09:54 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: 1000 silverlings

lol. Maybe FR could incorporate some software that would automatically generate a pet reply for all our posts? Never have to worry.


1,034 posted on 02/19/2010 11:10:05 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

None of that was a quote, nor was it labeled as a quote.


1,035 posted on 02/19/2010 11:10:50 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Quix

lol, lol, that’s about it


1,036 posted on 02/19/2010 11:11:19 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee

I challenge you to find a single post on Free Republic (aside from the posts of a few select Lutherans and Anglicans) where Protestants call the Blessed Mother blessed without first being prompted. I’ve had plenty of Protestants say, “Oh sure, we call her blessed.” However, they never actually do call her blessed, they simply acknowledge it when it’s pointed out.


You make a good point. I have never called her anything other than Mary. doesn’t mean I hate her though....heck I don’t “Hate” anyone.


1,037 posted on 02/19/2010 11:13:00 AM PST by Grunthor (America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

I stand corrected. In 933, I used the first sentence to quote myself, in order to correct and amplify the original statement.


1,038 posted on 02/19/2010 11:13:16 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Petronski
Yah'shua rose prior to dawn on the pagan first "day" of the week,

The way I see, it you can have it one of two ways, you do not get to change languages just to fit an adenda. Here are the choices:

1. Jews worship God from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday and Christians worship God on Sunday.

or

2. Jews worship God on Shabbat and Christians worship God on Rishon.

Take your pick, but I'm not going to play a game where you get to use Hebrew names of the week for Jewish observation and English names for Christian observation.

I am curious though, why don't you go onto Christian threads that have NOTHING to do with Catholics and tell the Calvinists, Baptists, Methodists, etc. that they are "Romanists" who follow pagan traditions?

1,039 posted on 02/19/2010 11:17:03 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: the_conscience
I could use such software myself. The same false information about the Catholic Church, individual Catholics, Ven. Pope Pius XII, Pope Benedict, Pope Benedict's father, et al., over and over, I only need standard replies to point out the falsehood.

The anti-Catholic information posted on Free Republic is so nauseatingly repetitive as to cry out for automated response.

1,040 posted on 02/19/2010 11:17:19 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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