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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
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To: wagglebee

They think we worship her because they hate her so much, our veneration looks like worship in comparison.


1,001 posted on 02/19/2010 10:45:20 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

creepy old lawyer who needs a job to keep him busy...


1,002 posted on 02/19/2010 10:45:28 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: John Leland 1789; Quix; RnMomof7; wmfights
Thank you, very good summary. We also know from the bible that there is no record that during Christ's ministry, no leper, sinner, lame or blind man, or anyone, ever came to Mary and asked her for anything. After His death, the Apostles and disciples prayed with one accord, Mary was just one of them.

Judaism states that "the desire of women" was that they be the one to bear Messiah, so there were many willing. Every generation hoped for it. That Mary was chosen in the Plan of Salvation before Creation, makes her the elected one.

1,003 posted on 02/19/2010 10:45:41 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Marysecretary

I didn’t know you were a lawyer.


1,004 posted on 02/19/2010 10:46:00 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Judith Anne

yes, dear...


1,005 posted on 02/19/2010 10:46:13 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary

“They think we hate her because we don’t worship her.”

That is silly. I don’t “hate” Mary any more then I “Hate” my earthly fathers’ mother.


1,006 posted on 02/19/2010 10:46:47 AM PST by Grunthor (America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: Marysecretary

You’re hitting on Judith Anne too?

That’s foul.


1,007 posted on 02/19/2010 10:46:49 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

“They think we worship her because they hate her so much, our veneration looks like worship in comparison.”

Protestants do not hate Mary anymore than you worship her. Can you give me an example of what you considerto be “Mary hatred?”


1,008 posted on 02/19/2010 10:49:15 AM PST by Grunthor (America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: Petronski

I feel sorry for Protestants, they have to learn their own beliefs, pretend to discern the truth of the scriptures for themselves, AND learn to lie about the Catholic Church. It can’t be easy, poor things.


1,009 posted on 02/19/2010 10:50:16 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Grunthor
Protestants do not hate Mary anymore than you worship her.

And that was precisely the point of my reductio ad absurdum.

1,010 posted on 02/19/2010 10:50:54 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski; UriÂ’el-2012; Religion Moderator

This is now at least the 2nd personal comment made about Uriel that I’ve seen. Others scream “don’t make this thread about me!” in like situations, but I’ll have to do it if Uriel won’t. Fair is fair


1,011 posted on 02/19/2010 10:51:30 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Petronski

Yep, I’ve got relatives who are just like that.


1,012 posted on 02/19/2010 10:51:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Grunthor

Post 981


1,013 posted on 02/19/2010 10:53:42 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: wagglebee

I’ve only got one. We all call her “the crazy sister.”


1,014 posted on 02/19/2010 10:55:48 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: 1000 silverlings

But that bit when he called me a False Shepherd (hey, at least it’s capitalized!), that was just the lovingkindness of the Holy Ghost, right?

Thick skins are required.


1,015 posted on 02/19/2010 10:59:31 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: 1000 silverlings; the_conscience; Religion Moderator

Here on this thread, the_conscience dragged over a conflict from another thread, even argued with the RM about it, stated he was referring to another thread.

The RM ignored him at the time. Don’t know if anything happened later.


1,016 posted on 02/19/2010 10:59:47 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: wagglebee; Petronski; Hegewisch Dupa; Judith Anne
U-2012>Worship the ONE YHvH on Shabbat not claim the pagan SUNday

Your claim seems to make very convenient use of different languages and how different cultures mark the start and end of days.

First of all, the claim about Sunday is meaningless to a Spaniard, for instance, who worships God on Domingo.

Secondly, why use the name Shabbat and not Saturday (if you are going to use the English word for a day of a week you should be consistent)? Because your argument collapses there as well because the Sabbath IS NOT Saturday because it begins at nightfall on Friday.

Christians, not just Catholics but all Christians, understand that GOD ROSE FROM THE DEAD on Easter SUNDAY. It was HIS decision to Rise on the day that Greek and Roman pagans honored the sun. Whay(sic) should we second guess His will?

You are free to deny that just as you deny the Holy Trinity. You are even free to call us Romanists (though you should also call Calvinists and Baptists Romanists because they share far more beliefs with Catholics than they do with you), but that does not make you right.

If you were familiar with the Holy Word of G-d (Jesus) see John 1,
days begin at sundown and end at the next sundown.
A study of Genesis 1 with the Breath of G-d will illuminate the text.

There is an error in logic called "post hoc ergo propter hoc"

I don't think the Spanish name was prior to Exodus.

Yah'shua rose prior to dawn on the pagan first "day" of the week,

The Feast of First Fruits ----

(See Exod. 23:16, 19; 34:22, 26; Lev. 2:12; 23:10, 17, 20;
Num. 18:12; 28:26; Deut. 18:4; 2 Ki. 4:42; 2 Chr. 31:5;
Neh. 10:35; 12:44; 13:31; Ps. 105:36; Ezek. 44:30;
Rom. 8:23; 1 Co. 15:20, 23; 16:15; Jas. 1:18; Rev. 14:4)
--- however began at sundown "Saturday" night.
Why would the creator of the universe celebrate
a Pagan day when He had commanded Feast Days of His own ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,017 posted on 02/19/2010 11:00:55 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Thank you. If you don’t mind, I’ll just add your points to my article.


1,018 posted on 02/19/2010 11:02:16 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Why would the creator of the universe celebrate a Pagan day when He had commanded Feast Days of His own ?

If you ever meet Him you can ask Him why He chose Saturn's day.

1,019 posted on 02/19/2010 11:02:22 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: 1000 silverlings; wmfights; Quix; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator; HarleyD; ...

Good observation.

Although for someone like Petronski who only has two or three of the same phrases he uses on every thread it would be pretty hard for him to comply.

“Thank God you’re not talking about the Catholic Church”

“Riiiiiight”

Maybe we can make the Petronski exception?


1,020 posted on 02/19/2010 11:02:35 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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