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To: annalex

Grace through faith, not faith + works.

John 5:24, 6:37, 10:28-29, Romans 8:38-39, 1 Corinthians 1:7-8, 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24, Ephesians 1:13-14, 2:9, 4:30, 1 John 5:13, Titus 3:5, 2 Peter 2:4-5 with Genesis 7:13,16


8 posted on 02/08/2010 9:52:32 PM PST by kingpins10
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To: kingpins10

Grace through faith.

Yes, the faith comes first, but then the works are manifested out of the faith?

Do you practice any of these works as quoted in Romans 12: 9-21? I bet you do.


9 posted on 02/08/2010 9:57:53 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: kingpins10
Well, for example

John 5:24

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and giveth life: so the Son also giveth life to whom he will. 22 For neither doth the Father judge any man, but hath given all judgment to the Son. 23 That all men may honour the Son, as they honour the Father. He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him. 24 Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life. 25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself: 27 And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is the Son of man. 28 Wonder not at this; for the hour cometh, wherein all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God. 29 And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.

Not only verse 24 says nothing about "grace through faith", the context actually supports the Catholic doctrine (see v. 29). Would you, please, shorten the list to the Bible quotes you are prepared to seriously discuss, or if the first one is such a quote, discuss it before we move to the others?

12 posted on 02/08/2010 10:06:17 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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