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To: Belteshazzar
you are still standing where you were on June 25, 1530

Of course. Or on any point since the Pentecost onward. This is precisely, where the comparisons to self-propelled radical Protestants end.

If you have a scriptural argument for Faith Alone (the article is about the falsity of Scripture Alone, but no one seems to have a coherent argument on that score), please feel free to make it.

Also, if "allein" inserted in Rom 3:24 is honest translation, why was it subsequently dropped?

Disparaging, and in the case of the Deuterocanon, dropping altogether the scripture Luther did not like is not limited to the fraud of his version of Rom. 3:24. This is the pervasive methodology that is the ugly cousin of Luther's Sola Scriptura.

- The Deuterocanon was dropped
- the Letter of James was declared "of straw"
- the parables of the Gospel were declared hermeneutically wrong to teach from

Luther really worked hard to discredit the scripture that he disagreed with.

197 posted on 02/01/2010 6:01:08 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Alright. I see your methodology. Throw a pot full of spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks.

In response to my saying, “... you are still standing where you were on June 25, 1530, you said:

“Of course. Or on any point since the Pentecost onward. This is precisely, where the comparisons to self-propelled radical Protestants end.”

Well, that is the very point at issue isn’t it? And on the question of whether nothing changed in terms of Roman dogma between the first Christian Pentecost (it was a Jewish festival, you know) and June 25, 1530, history is not your friend. And no amount of burned heretics or political skullduggery could make it so.

Regarding Romans 3:24 (and I will do a little checking here), well, OK, it was dropped, but with no loss of meaning. Pretty good, huh? One insignificant mistake in a first try at translating the whole New Testament into German? What about Jerome’s “she” in Genesis 3:15, talk about doubling down on a mistake.

The deuterocanon, yes, well that they were not canonical was recognized by the church of the time, i.e., of the Old Testament. They were rejected before the time of Christ by the same people who accepted the canonical books. So, blame that on Israel. But we would be happy to take credit for it, if we could. The deuterocanonical books don’t measure up, and a careful reading of them will reveal that their authors didn’t think so either. Ever read 1 & 2 Maccabees all the way through in their own context? Try it, you’ll see what I mean.

The Epistle of James, well, gee it’s still in every Bible I’ve ever used, including Luther’s original translation. Oh, maybe you’re looking at his preface to James of 1522, not 1535. Luther was pretty good at owning up to his errors and not doubling down on them.

The parables of the Gospel declared hermeneutically wrong to teach from? I don’t think so. Someone fed you a line on that.

“Luther really worked hard to discredit the scripture he disagreed with.” So you say. But here again you are quite, quite incorrect.

Keep trying.

Peace.


199 posted on 02/01/2010 6:26:15 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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