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To: annalex

Alright. I see your methodology. Throw a pot full of spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks.

In response to my saying, “... you are still standing where you were on June 25, 1530, you said:

“Of course. Or on any point since the Pentecost onward. This is precisely, where the comparisons to self-propelled radical Protestants end.”

Well, that is the very point at issue isn’t it? And on the question of whether nothing changed in terms of Roman dogma between the first Christian Pentecost (it was a Jewish festival, you know) and June 25, 1530, history is not your friend. And no amount of burned heretics or political skullduggery could make it so.

Regarding Romans 3:24 (and I will do a little checking here), well, OK, it was dropped, but with no loss of meaning. Pretty good, huh? One insignificant mistake in a first try at translating the whole New Testament into German? What about Jerome’s “she” in Genesis 3:15, talk about doubling down on a mistake.

The deuterocanon, yes, well that they were not canonical was recognized by the church of the time, i.e., of the Old Testament. They were rejected before the time of Christ by the same people who accepted the canonical books. So, blame that on Israel. But we would be happy to take credit for it, if we could. The deuterocanonical books don’t measure up, and a careful reading of them will reveal that their authors didn’t think so either. Ever read 1 & 2 Maccabees all the way through in their own context? Try it, you’ll see what I mean.

The Epistle of James, well, gee it’s still in every Bible I’ve ever used, including Luther’s original translation. Oh, maybe you’re looking at his preface to James of 1522, not 1535. Luther was pretty good at owning up to his errors and not doubling down on them.

The parables of the Gospel declared hermeneutically wrong to teach from? I don’t think so. Someone fed you a line on that.

“Luther really worked hard to discredit the scripture he disagreed with.” So you say. But here again you are quite, quite incorrect.

Keep trying.

Peace.


199 posted on 02/01/2010 6:26:15 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: Belteshazzar

Much has changed, but no doctrine has changed. This is why the Catholic Church still happily reads form every book in the Bible and doesn’t pit one against the other.

The “she” in Genesis 3:15 is not like Luther’s “allein”. St. Jerome had to make a gender distinction that does not exist in Hebrew. A modern translator who translates “he will crush your head” makes the same distinction equally arbitrarily.

The Jewish canon has not been settled till Jamnia, AD 90 or so. This was AFTER the rabbis booted the Christians out of their synagogues. Call them what you will prior to that, after Jamnia they werre in no way “Church”.

I hear often a certain caution against the parables coming from Protestant “hermeneutucs”, but off the top of my head cannot be sure if it started with Luther. If not, good for him. Consider this issue withdrawn, for now.


205 posted on 02/01/2010 7:07:00 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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