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To: RnMomof7
I think the problem I, and ma[n]y like me have, is that there is little glory for God in any of this.

This is when I feel my words are so futile.

I can't speak for anybody else, but for me, "The Lord is glorious in His saints."*

Of course, in the poisoned atmosphere of discussions with Protestants I have to add that is not the only way God is glorious.

Yesterday was the memorial (for non-Dominicans) and feast (for Dominicans) of Thomas Aquinas. Yes, I ask for his prayers. Yes, I think his modesty, devotion, and life in general provide a heroic example. Yes, I think he was a genius.

But most of all I look at him, shake my head, and say to God, "Thank you for this amazing brother! Wow!"

As I said earlier, I don't 'follow' St Faustina much, but I am very grateful to her and to what God did in her, if only for the notion that I can and should remind myself that my trust should be placed in Jesus and in God's mercy.

So for us, that God chooses (if that be the case) to do miracles at a shrine of this saint, SURE that is a reminder of what God did in her, but au fond it's always about God.

In any event, what most of us know about St, Faustina is that she told us all to place our trust in the Divine Mercy. if the news or the miracle story is about what happened at her shrine, well and good. Maybe the healed and those who love them will be led to hear what St. Faustina taught. And then it will turnout that the glory is returned to God from whom it came.



*Everyday of prayer begins with what we call the "invitatory psalm". We begin "Lord open my lips// and my mouth will proclaim your praise," which you will recognize as a verse from Psalm 51. Then usually we say Psalm 95, but sometimes 67, 24, or 100. (I always do 95.) But we have what we call an antiphon, something like a refrain, said after each strophe.

For great teachers the antiphon is "Come let us worship the Lord, fount of all wisdom." But the general antiphon for saints says is something like "The Lord is glorious in his saints, come let us worship Him," or "Come let us worship the Lord, the king of martyrs," or words to that effect.

It's always God, but we're not going to ignore that great things he has done.

15 posted on 01/29/2010 9:46:15 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Dawg, just look at the title of this thread (and many others) The glory is to Mary or saints etc.. not to God.

In this case it is suggested God did it because he was asked by this woman ..so then the glory goes to her for asking..cause if someone else asked maybe he would not have done it..

The normal Catholic response is to get some medals and publish public thanks to her in your local paper . God is a secondary thought, God’s sovereignty and the fact that all healing and all miracles are from His hand..not some dead humans is easily overlooked in Catholic doctrine .It is hidden under a bunch of words giving first glory to a creation of his

It keeps coming back to the 1st commandment.. I will have no other gods BEFORE me..

That can be seen as not giving anyone glory BEFORE we give it to Him..

I think there are many holy saints that have gone before us, they are wonderful examples on how to live our lives .. but they went not in their strength but Gods.


16 posted on 01/29/2010 11:31:22 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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