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To: Safrguns

Golly, what a conundrum. If I say yes...

Come on! Many ancient religions have had stories similar to those in the bible and those religions have all failed and gone away. Current religions will, too. God doesn’t exist. Even ask all the millions of people who pray to Ra and Zeus and the other failed deities on the ash heap of history. Oh, that’s right, there aren’t millions of people who worship them any more.

It’s all stories. Some good, some bad, none are proof of any divine existence of any kind.

And to those that are tempted to quote the bible, don’t bother. typing a bible verse to try to prove God is akin to typing a paragraph from Moby Dick to prove the existence of a white sperm whale. It’s a good story, but it’s fiction. Got it? Fiction. Just like the bible.


106 posted on 01/12/2010 11:17:24 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( If God existed, why would he just prove it and remove all doubt? ))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad
Got it? Fiction. Just like the bible.

No, I don't "got it." I'll take the Word of the Lord over yours, thankyouverymuch.

And I won't quote any Bible passages to you, but I will say a prayer for you.

107 posted on 01/12/2010 11:21:02 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Two Kids' Dad
Fiction. Just like the bible.

This is certainly untrue, even from a strictly materialist, or naturalistic point of view. Have you seen the R. Crumb Genesis? I got it for Christmas ( by request. ) It's a completely straight rendition, and the author notes that many pious rendentions take outrageous liberties, which he does not allow himself, as he advertises with the slogan, "Nothing left out!"

What's remarkable about the Torah is the unbroken longevity of its preservation as a book that is used, read, studied, and interpreted. These writings were never buried and rediscovered later. They are the oldest texts in continuous use in Western civilisation. No wonder that people believe them to be the word of God.

113 posted on 01/13/2010 12:35:33 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: Two Kids' Dad

You wouldn’t be here on FR if there wasn’t a God.

God knows where you’d be, but not here.


114 posted on 01/13/2010 12:45:56 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Careful, you might actually attract His attention.

Now prove to yourself that you can avoid Him.

If you succeed, will that prevent Him from separating good from evil and removing that which He doesn’t find to have anything righteous from His presence forever?

Will your denial of His existence overpower His Being without replacing God with selfish arrogance?

Which is more veritable, His love or the arrogance of the proud?


116 posted on 01/13/2010 1:10:59 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
"If God existed, why would he just prove it and remove all doubt? "

Are you asking why WOULDN'T He "prove it" to you and remove all doubt? If you are, your tagline has a typo in it. Which gets me to thinking... Why WOULD he indeed? (Freudian slip on your part?)

If you haven't already seen the hand of the creator in the vastness of the universe, or in the sunrise, or the beauty of nature, or in the complexity of a single cell, why would he feel obligated to go out of his way to prove something to you? And what the heck would you want that wouldn't be dismissed as schizophrenia by your atheist buds?

121 posted on 01/13/2010 5:50:57 AM PST by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - James Bond to P. Galore in "Goldfinger".)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

>>> And to those that are tempted to quote the bible, don’t bother.

Well, I would have to agree with you that the bible itself cannot be offered as proof... but then again nobody ever said that the bible was written for that purpose. It is much like leading a horse to water. Proving a negative is simply not possible. And, even in the light of overwhelming evidence for any fact... people are quite capable of rejecting it as truth.
Even when it was first proven that the earth was round, there were many who rejected the evidence to protect their own sacred pride.

However, many have set out to dis-prove the bible. If the bible is fiction, then there should be plenty of elements within the bible (historical accounts, events, locations, PROPHECY) that are inconsistent with solid historical evidence and public record.

Many have tried to disprove the bible.... all have failed... and many of those who did try became christians.

Also, you don’t need the bible as evidence of God’s existence with the overwhelming evidence available in God’s creation around us.

If you are honestly seeking the truth of a matter, you will find it. If you are sincere at heart about resolving the question, ask God Himself. I guarantee He will answer provided you are not “daring” Him to show Himself.

Otherwise, if you are unwilling to consider the possibility that you are wrong, the price to pay for your ignorance is pretty steep.


124 posted on 01/13/2010 10:57:54 AM PST by Safrguns
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